Conditional election.

[Reformed1689]

You are dead wrong. Faith is not a work. Romans 4:5.

Only in the context of Paul's OTHER writings that say the faith itself is a gift and not of the person. Otherwise, faith most certainly is a work.

 

[Reformed1689]

You are both in error. You are incapable to show my view and why it is incorrect. You failed to do it.

On the contrary, you have failed to show why your view is anywhere close to legitimate.

 

[Silverhair]

On the contrary, you have failed to show why your view is anywhere close to legitimate.

The fact that 37818's view is biblical whereas yours is not shows that his view is legitimate.

 

[Reformed1689]

Jacob and Esau in Rom 9 is dealing with service not salvation but you ignore that as it does not fit your calvinism.

No, it is not dealing with service. Jacob and Esau are dealing with Jacob and Esau. If you look at the rest of Scripture that talks about Esau, it is clear that hating Esau means exactly that. Look at Malachi 1, look at Jeremiah 49, look at Hebrews 12. It's clear, you just don't want to believe it.

 

[Reformed1689]

The fact that 37818's view is biblical whereas yours is not shows that his view is legitimate.

That's the problem, his view is not biblical.

 

[37818]

That's the problem, his view is not biblical.

Really? You know no such thing. You have an interpretion which must supersede what Scripture simply says. Set what I believe against the Scripture you think I disagree with.

 

[37818]

We have gone over this, 37.You are really not grasping what Jesus is saying.

The general call of reconciliation goes out to as many people as we can talk with, but those whom God wrote in his Covenant Will are a particular people whom he chose before the foundation of the world.

In Matthew 22 we see one person attempting to join by his free will and he is thrown out into darkness because the King never gave the man the royal garment.

I'm not sure how you are missing this.

You are giving your interpretation.
The lack of the garment was the problem. And the one without said garment was one the many. That is what it was in that parable. Matthew 22:14 is the concluding teaching.

 

[Reformed1689]

Really? You know no such thing. You have an interpretion which must supersede what Scripture simply says. Set what I believe against the Scripture you think I disagree with.

No, I'm actually reading Scripture for what it says and not trying to change the meanings of words.

 

[37818]

Incorrect. It has been shown to you and you have hardened your heart.

You know nothing of the sort.
You do not understand what I believe. Or why.

 

[Reformed1689]

You know nothing of the sort.
You do not understand what I believe. Or why.

So you don't believe the junk you have posted in this thread?

 

[37818]

On the contrary, you have failed to show why your view is anywhere close to legitimate.

My view is being denied. But not shown the view not to be true. God's singular choosing is behind the believers election [plural]. Related but not the same thing.

 

[37818]

No, I'm actually reading Scripture for what it says and not trying to change the meanings of words.

So translation supersedes the underlying Greek.

 

[37818]

So you don't believe the junk you have posted in this thread?

I believe what I wrote. You are the one calling it junk here. I think it is fair to say we think, we believe to be what the Scripture means.

 

[37818]

Notice @Brightfame52 has this much correct.

Election is conditional, Its conditioned on God having to chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world.

 

[AustinC]

You know nothing of the sort.
You do not understand what I believe. Or why.

We can look back on the past couple threads on this topic. Your view of election and choosing is unorthodox and lacking any scholarly credibility.

 

[AustinC]

You are giving your interpretation.
The lack of the garment was the problem. And the one without said garment was one the many. That is what it was in that parable. Matthew 22:14 is the concluding teaching.

The fact that the man tried to get in but the King never gave him a garment is the key. "Not all are chosen." You can't "accept" Jesus and expect to be at the wedding. God must choose you as a guest at the wedding feast. He must give you the garment.

 

[Silverhair]

No, it is not dealing with service. Jacob and Esau are dealing with Jacob and Esau. If you look at the rest of Scripture that talks about Esau, it is clear that hating Esau means exactly that. Look at Malachi 1, look at Jeremiah 49, look at Hebrews 12. It's clear, you just don't want to believe it.

Look at the text it is not about salvation it is about the line of Christ.

 

[Silverhair]

That's the problem, his view is not biblical.

Well maybe not according to the bible you have but to the real bible it is.

 

[37818]

We can look back on the past couple threads on this topic. Your view of election and choosing is unorthodox and lacking any scholarly credibility.

You know on such thing.

 

[Silverhair]

The fact that the man tried to get in but the King never gave him a garment is the key. "Not all are chosen." You can't "accept" Jesus and expect to be at the wedding. God must choose you as a guest at the wedding feast. He must give you the garment.

Wrong there Austin. The man did not avail himself of the garment that is why the King asked him why he did not have one. Read the text, not into the text.