Featured Conditional election.

Since chose and elect are synonyms, I point out that you are wrong.

*Ephesians 1:3-4*

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.

*Romans 8:29-30,33*

For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

You are desperately trying to split a hair that is not and has never been split. You are refusing to recognize Jesus teaching and you will not accept your own election as having happened far before you were ever born so that God is truly Sovereign and Supreme over your existence.

 

I'm actually "alive right." "But God..."

 

I am glad you asked. I did a search of G1586 and it is only used 20 times {NASB}. Luke 9:35 shows us that Christ is the Chosen One.

G1586
ἐκλέγομαι
eklegomai
Thayer Definition:
1) to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one’s self
1a) choosing one out of many, i.e. Jesus choosing his disciples
1b) choosing one for an office
1c) of God choosing whom he judged fit to receive his favours and separated from the rest of mankind to be peculiarly his own and to be attended continually by his gracious oversight
1c1) i.e. the Israelites
1d) of God the Father choosing Christians, as those whom he set apart from the irreligious multitude as dear unto himself, and whom he has rendered, through faith in Christ, citizens in the Messianic kingdom: (Jas_2:5) so that the ground of the choice lies in Christ and his merits only
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: middle voice from G1537 and G3004 (in its primary sense)

Eph 1:4 just as He chose G1586 us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

You should be asking who are the "us" that Paul is writing about in this verse. For that we need to look back to Ephesians 1:1 "...To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus"

Those that are in Him are those that have trusted in Him for salvation. The persons faith is what makes them fit for salvation.

 

None of those verses work for you Austin. Ephesians 1:1-4
Who are the "us" that Paul is writing to and what is he telling them?
For the "us" just look back to verse 1 "To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus" and for the what "that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love". He is telling the Ephesian saints that they were chosen not the you were chosen.

Romans 8:29-30

It says it right in the text, God foreknew who would come to trust in His son, He did not cause them to trust in His son. You have to read that into the text or ignore the rest of the bible. Remember Ephesians 1:13-14 or Romans 1:16 or Romans 10:9-10.

Romans 8:33

I fully agree that it is God that justifies. And He does so for those that trust in His son.
Rom_5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gal_2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

So you see that faith is not a work as you have claimed before. I keep telling you to trust in the bible but you do not seem to want to do that. Why I do not know but I do hold out hope that you will come into the light.

 

Please take your own advice.

 

Only if you isolate that verse and ignore the rest of the context.

 

That's not what the word foreknew means in this context. This is not a foreknowledge of an event, this is a choosing. You isolate words and ignore contex.t

 

It is if its your faith you exercise before the newbirth and while a natural man yet in the flesh !

 

All that is the fruit of election. When did one become one of Gods elect ? Was it not before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

How and when did God choose people unto Salvation ?

 

Your statement doesnt make sense at all.

 

Yeah that is correct !

 

Yes I agree context does matter. You should try reading things in context. Ephesians 1:1-14 for example. You might learn a few things.

 

You are reading into the text what you want to find rather than reading the text as it is.

 

That is your calvinist theology talking. Trust the bible and it will clear up your error.

 

So we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. But...we were elect at what time?

I honestly don't see how you make a distinction that God never makes so I need you to very clearly explain the timeline for election as you reject it taking place before the foundation of the world.

 

Amen, that's exactly correct ! If faith or believing is a product of the natural man, and not the gift of faith/believing wrought by the work of God the Spirit Jn 6:29, then its a work, its in fact law keeping Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

 

I cant say the same for your reply, again when did God choose His People in Christ ? Are people in Christ before the foundation of the world ?