Featured The Atonement of Christ: What did it REALLY Achieve ?6

BF you are really starting to go of the range on this. You are so desperate to prove your point that you are now not even beiong logical. If we took those verses as you are trying to use them then that would mean that all of Israel has been saved, not just some of the descendants of Abraham but all of them.

Admit it BF your view does not hold water.

 

So you are going to keep denying scripture. Sad really really sad. This just shows how desperate you have become.

 

Does Acts of the Apostles 3:26 really say Christ turns everyone He died for from iniquity? 2 Peter 2:1 says Christ bought a person heading for swift destruction. Sounds like Christ died for someone never turned from iniquity. Go figure.

 

BF you had better read Luke1:72-74 in context, it is Zechariah's Prophecy about his son John the Baptist and how he, John, would would point the Jews to the Messiah. So those verses are about the nation of Israel, sorry.

I have been telling you that it is only those that trust in Christ Jesus that will be saved and have shown you a number of verses that show this but you still will not accept that truth. Man has to trust, God does not do it for him. You know hear the gospel believe the gospel and God saves.

 

You keep trying to prove your calvinist view that the atonement saves rather than trust what the bible says. The bible tells us that it is His life that saves, why do you not accept this truth?

BF you have misused the scriptures as a means of supporting your errant view. That is so sad. You seem to think I do not know and believe the verses you post. I have no problem with scripture, whereas you do not accept clear scripture but rather try to find verses to deny what the bible says.

Look at the statement you just made " Its impossible for anyone Christ died for, not to be forgiven, healed, saved !" and then look at the bible

Rom 5:6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Now think through what you just said " Its impossible for anyone Christ died for, not to be forgiven, healed, saved !" Well since we were all ungodly sinners that fell short of the glory of God and since He died as a ransom for all of us ungodly sinners then by your on words you are a universalist.

But what does the bible tell us about who is saved?
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Act 16:30 And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Act 16:31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."
Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."
Joh 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Those that hear the gospel and believe the gospel will be saved
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

The authority is the bible not your man-made philosophy. You struggle way to hard to deny what the bible tells us.

 

On this side of the cross we would understand that but what would the Jews of that time understood?

BF you are so focused on Abraham that you continue to overlook the Seed of Abraham, Christ Jesus. What are you trying to prove, that Christ was a Jew?

BF you are putting the focus on Abraham rather than Christ. The Seed of Abraham is Christ Jesus. We have to be in Him to be saved. Many Jews, who came from Abrahams physical seed, are not saved. Jews and Gentiles that are in the spiritual Seed of Abraham are saved. Note even a verse you quoted 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Only those that are "in Him" through faith are considered to be part of Abraham's spiritual seed.

Gal 3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

 

Well since Christ died for the ungodly sinners and He was a ransom for all then you are clearly saying you are a universalist."all whom Christ died for shall be converted to God" You can deny that charge but until you start trusting what the bible says rather than your man-made religion you will remain a universalist.

 

Acts of the Apostles 3:25-26 (NASB)
“It is you who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God ordained with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘AND IN YOUR SEED ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH SHALL BE BLESSED.’

“God raised up His Servant for you first, and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.”

Lets see if we can unpack this passage.
Verse 25

1) Who is the "you" who are "sons" or "children" of the prophets and "covenant?" The children of Abraham, not all those among the bloodline, but those whose faith in God resulted in obtaining "approval" per Hebrews 11.

2) Of course "your seed" singular refers to Jesus and Jesus alone.

3) All the families shall be blessed because Jesus became the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole of humanity.
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Verse 26

1) The "You" of "you first" again refers to believers among Abraham's descendants, i.e. "first to the Jew."

2) "His Servant" is an interesting translation as the word refers to a child who does as His Father tells Him.

3) So those blessed by Jesus turning them from sin are the believers who had obtained approval.​

Therefore this passage does not provide a shred of support for universalism or Limited Atonement.

 

Not how the passage reads.
"all the families of the earth."

Gal 3:14
in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.​

According to scripture, one of the blessings of Abraham is received by anyone and everyone God transfers into Christ Jesus spiritually. Another blessing would be the land given to Abraham. (Gen. 28:4).