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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by LaGrange, Nov 2, 2022.

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  1. LaGrange

    LaGrange Active Member

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    see post #80
     
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    Man doesn’t immerse us in the Holy Ghost either. The Rite of Baptism is done “In the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” just as Christ says to do in Matt 28:19. The priest does it in the God’s NAME.
     
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    Where does Faith come from?
     
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    I already explained Eph 2:8-9 (see post #80). There are a lot of Gifts of God. In Rom 6:23 Paul is contrasting Obedience and disobedience. This is after showing us where your intitial justification comes from - Baptism (Rom 6:3-4). If you remain obedient in the Faith then, “in the end”, you will obtain everlasting life. “IF you are obedient”.
     
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    You need to read some of the other posts. I have said over and over again that God’s Grace is present with is and precedes anything we do regarding salvation all the way through. We cannot do anything without God’s grace. That’s Catholic Teaching.
     
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    I understand that and agree with that. Maybe you need to read some of my other answers. You are defending something that doesn’t need defending.
     
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    Honestly, I know you didn’t. It was a point I wanted to make and when you quoted Acts 11:17 it reminded me of something. I had seen before where someone else had made the point that this verse and Acts 15:7 proved “Saving Faith”. Didn’t mean to undo your argument.
     
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    according to Romans 5:1. Justification is a 1 time act where the results are seen eternally

    it says we have been justified not we are. It is an aeroist tense
     
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    where is baptism mentioned in Eph 2:5. B 4 says it’s of God
     
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    I was baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit, not by man.
     
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    Baptismal regeneration is false doctrine.

    It is only a symbol of the reality, done after the reality, just as the Lord’s Supper is a symbol. We don’t eat not drink literal blood and flesh.
     
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    I meant - it says we have been justified, not we are being justified

    it is a past act
     
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    I know. 37818 was answerIng you, not me. Did you read post #67? Maybe it was written incorrectly or I took it incorrectly. I was just trying to clarify what he was saying.
     
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    No sir, by the "washing" of regeneration ( making a person a new creature in Christ ) by the new birth.
    In other words, baptism ( or "circumcision" ) of the heart through ( or because of ) God's miraculous power of making a person "born again".
    Absolutely, and I've underlined and bolded the parts of your reply that I agree with.
    However, I believe that the Scriptures teach that all of God's elect were justified at the cross ( Colossians 2:13-14. ).
    He is our justification, and justified His people by His blood when it was shed for them.
    I agree, and I also see that according to the Greek, it can also mean " to be made, finished":
    Verse Analysis: Titus 3:7 - Textus Receptus Bibles

    See Thayer's rendition in the above.
    I agree that it does not necessarily mean that in this passage...but it does apply only to the believer.
    To understand who it applies to ( and what God has done for them ), I rely on other things the Lord has said through His apostles and prophets....such as Romans 8, Romans 9, Ephesians 1, Ephesians 2.

    What I was focusing on by giving this passage are the two things that it says ( which completely rule out works of any kind ):

    1) Not by works of righteousness which we have done.
    2) According to only one thing...His mercy.

    Then comes the method that He has used...
    The new birth, or "washing" of regeneration.

    While I see it as a spiritual baptism, I do not see it as depending upon the physical act of baptism.
    As a "Baptist", I see this act of God being symbolized by the believer's ( an outward confession of having received an inner change ) obedient act of being water baptized by immersion.

    I wish you well, as always.
     
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    You didn't undo my argument. Your tactic undid your own argument.
     
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    Don't you know? The preacher hands it out in little buckets. Didn't you get yours?
     
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    Cornelius was regenerated by grace alone, which gave him the faith which alone justified Cornelius.

    Faith does not function until God graciously regenerates those who are dead in sin. (Ephesians 2:1-9)
     
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    Muslims and Cults read the Bible in verse isolation.
     
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