Part of President Trump's platform for 2024

I completely understand. I watched the lib media, repub elites, and Dems twist, add to, take out of context the things he said for 5 years they have zero credibility to criticize him. I literally just assume what they are saying is a lie.

As you said, we will see. I don’t know if he can recover from this. I doubt it. It’s going to take more than posting the media is lying about him, since what he said seems very clear to me. I think I heard once something along the lines that, in politics, if you offering explanations about something you said, you are losing.

I will not support Trump in the primaries. If he wins the nomination, I will vote for him. I truly doubt I could ever vote dem again.

peace to you

 

The correct post and what I believe Trump was referring to. The fraud of 2020 is is what bypassed rules of the constitution.

Trump doesn't what to do away with or change, that is what the fraudulent elections have done going way back.

 

Exactly, and if we, as a nation, do not get him (Trump) OR someone unknown at this point that matches his capabilities, back in office in '24, then the dems will have won, as there will NEVER AGAIN be any legitimate elections in this country. Hopefully it's not too late, though it may very well be. Seems the more we learn, the deeper the cancer goes. Congratulations to all you "WORD" police for our situation today!!
Only God knows the outcome, and it's in His control!!!!!

 

I agree with about 95% of what you said. I do understand. I can’t give him a pass on these comments, though.

I disagree about Pence as well, but that’s another thread.

peace to you

 

Pence has a measured, non confrontational approach. It makes him boring, not weak.

He is much the opposite of Trump in that regard, but he did work hard to implement Trump’s agenda and was successful.

I saw Pence in an interview this morning. He believes Trump took bad advice from his attorneys concerning Jan 6 and I agree with him.

I doubt Pence would get the nomination if he runs. A lot of Trump supporters would become “never Pencers” I think he would be a very good President.

After Trump and Biden, I would like a boring but effective conservative as POTUS.

peace to you

 

“Better” is subjective. Would he have pushed the same or similar agenda? Not exactly.

I don’t think he would have done all the unconventional things Trump did. He wouldn’t have bashed the media every day (which I enjoyed watching, btw) probably no sanctions on China, meeting Kim Jung at the DMV (much less call him Little Rocket Man), renegotiate NAFTA etc.

But, he would have pushed conservative principles. The judges/justices would have been similar. Expanding oil and gas production would be similar. Probably wouldn’t have put us into as much debt as Trump. Would have pushed for modest abortion restrictions (maybe that 15 week cut off most of the world has),

He may have taken action on the trans ideology being pushed in schools and sports. I could see him using title 9 to oppose it as will as violating women’s rights to privacy.

A little different? Yes. Better? We cannot know for certain.

Although he would have been relentlessly attacked by the media, I doubt he would have suffered the utter hatred Trump endured.

peace to you

 

That accusation is quite a stretch and appears to be a symptom of TDS.

"In the social media platform Truth Social, Donald J. Trump, posted that fraud “allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” The December 3, 2022 post has evoked criticism from both democrats and a few republicans. On December 5, 2022, Donald J. Trump posted, claiming that the “Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to “terminate” the Constitution.”

Forget the Fake News, forget CNN, Fox, and all the organized press, examine his post yourself. To do so, you will have to create an account on Truth Social. Truth Social Provided the posts remain, you will see straight from the horse’s mouth exactly what he posted and then you have to ask, is there a difference between a call to ‘“terminate” the Constitution” which Trump says he didn’t do and “termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” which is exactly what he did advocate."

Here is what is being twisted by the Left and "others":



Your whole argument falls on it's false dilemma face...

Seems you are trying to ride on a hypothetical.

 

You are making a distinction without a difference. If Trump advocates that “fraud” allows for termination of “all rules, regulations etc…” found in the constitution, then he is advocating to terminate parts of the constitution….. …Specifically, those parts of the constitution that prevent him from being declared the winner or getting another election for 2020.

Surely you understand that if that precedent is established, the constitution cannot survive.

Please remember, the constitution was followed. Accusations of fraud were examined by the courts and state legislatures. The results were certified per the constitution.

Just because many see it as impossible for Biden to get 81 million votes, the constitutional process was followed.

We are two years removed. The next election is on the way. If Trump doesn’t put this behind him and stop making these kinds of statements, the only legacy he will have is a sore loser POTUS. He is giving Hilary a run for her money as the biggest sore loser in POTUS election history.

peace to you

 

Yeah, so am I.

And in addressing, if one misrepresents an opponent’s position and then attacks him on that misrepresentation it merely amounts to a fallacious Strawman argument.

Now, some may claim it is not a misrepresentation but I have no reason to believe their claim about Trump to be the truth. Their bias in such a judgment is not unexpected, often radical and the attempt to twist the meaning of Trump’s statement is quite stereotypical of the methods of those who are obsessed with opposing him.