People like to make more of his words than need usually because they want something to be wrong. The more they oppose him for stupid junk the more I want to support him.
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People like to make more of his words than need usually because they want something to be wrong. The more they oppose him for stupid junk the more I want to support him.
I agree. That is why I supported Trump for so long.
He had become a liability not because of anything he did but because of lies and partial truths spread by the DNC.
This time is different.
The context of his statement has Trump advocating the termination of the US Constitution insofar as elections go in order to either install him or have another election for 2020.
But even if your twist is correct, Trump is stating that large scale election fraud justifies the termination of the US Constitution insofar as elections go in order to either install him or have another election for 2020.
There is no comming back from that.
Election fraud is serious. But it does not justify the termination of any part of the US Constitution.
canadyjd
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I completely understand. I watched the lib media, repub elites, and Dems twist, add to, take out of context the things he said for 5 years they have zero credibility to criticize him. I literally just assume what they are saying is a lie.
As you said, we will see. I don’t know if he can recover from this. I doubt it. It’s going to take more than posting the media is lying about him, since what he said seems very clear to me. I think I heard once something along the lines that, in politics, if you offering explanations about something you said, you are losing.
I will not support Trump in the primaries. If he wins the nomination, I will vote for him. I truly doubt I could ever vote dem again.
peace to you
The correct post and what I believe Trump was referring to. The fraud of 2020 is is what bypassed rules of the constitution.
Trump doesn't what to do away with or change, that is what the fraudulent elections have done going way back.
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Regardless of his mouth he is a fighter. I would never vote for pence because he is not. Trump is the extreme measure your break the glass and take him out. Only in extreme measures do you use him. He is needed right now. The only other person I would support is DeSantis. However, if we have Trump for 4 more then DeSantis we will have 12 more years of fighting to right the ship instead of just 8 if we jump straight to DeSantis. That is one of my biggest concerns.
Trump is unpolished, I get that, he says stupid things, however, he is effective in ways no one else has been. He is tough, he will fight the establishment and the underground government without hesitation. I am not worried about the President making me comfortable with all the right words and polish. I want him to get it done. I will not vote for pence, would not vote for Bush, Ryan, Bainer, McConnell, McCain, the mormon, or any other liberal Republican. I don't want to hear about supporting the UN or WHO. I reject the ones who support the New World Order which by the way those I have listed do.
I want a fighter.
Exactly, and if we, as a nation, do not get him (Trump) OR someone unknown at this point that matches his capabilities, back in office in '24, then the dems will have won, as there will NEVER AGAIN be any legitimate elections in this country. Hopefully it's not too late, though it may very well be. Seems the more we learn, the deeper the cancer goes. Congratulations to all you "WORD" police for our situation today!!
Only God knows the outcome, and it's in His control!!!!!
canadyjd
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I agree with about 95% of what you said. I do understand. I can’t give him a pass on these comments, though.
I disagree about Pence as well, but that’s another thread.
peace to you
Pence is not a fighter, he is weak.
canadyjd
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Pence has a measured, non confrontational approach. It makes him boring, not weak.
He is much the opposite of Trump in that regard, but he did work hard to implement Trump’s agenda and was successful.
I saw Pence in an interview this morning. He believes Trump took bad advice from his attorneys concerning Jan 6 and I agree with him.
I doubt Pence would get the nomination if he runs. A lot of Trump supporters would become “never Pencers” I think he would be a very good President.
After Trump and Biden, I would like a boring but effective conservative as POTUS.
peace to you
I agree. I also like that Pence is a Christian who speaks of his faith. IMHO Pence would have made a better President than Trump.
canadyjd
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“Better” is subjective. Would he have pushed the same or similar agenda? Not exactly.
I don’t think he would have done all the unconventional things Trump did. He wouldn’t have bashed the media every day (which I enjoyed watching, btw) probably no sanctions on China, meeting Kim Jung at the DMV (much less call him Little Rocket Man), renegotiate NAFTA etc.
But, he would have pushed conservative principles. The judges/justices would have been similar. Expanding oil and gas production would be similar. Probably wouldn’t have put us into as much debt as Trump. Would have pushed for modest abortion restrictions (maybe that 15 week cut off most of the world has),
He may have taken action on the trans ideology being pushed in schools and sports. I could see him using title 9 to oppose it as will as violating women’s rights to privacy.
A little different? Yes. Better? We cannot know for certain.
Although he would have been relentlessly attacked by the media, I doubt he would have suffered the utter hatred Trump endured.
peace to you
Talking about what Pence would or would not do is hypothetical (we can't know).
One thing he couldn't do is be a non-politician shedding light on problems with the DNC and GOP. That is something I liked best about Trump.
If we had a blend between Trump and Pence that'd be great. A bit more aggressive than Pence, a lot less narcissistic than Trump, with the ability to be effective as a President rather than devisive.
I hope to see the GOP recover from Trump, keep his platform, and come up with a viable candidate.
Problem is he cannot be as effective in the current climate because he is too timid. It takes someone like Trump or DeSantis. They are both bulldogs. His time as governor of Indiana has shown his effectiveness in this climate.
DeSantis would be a legitimate candidate. Too many Republicans would never vote for Trump, but many who wouldn't prefer DeSantis would vote for him if the GOP candidate.
Problem goes back to Trump. Would he actually support another candidate? And would his support hurt or help?
The GOP is in a tough spot.
That accusation is quite a stretch and appears to be a symptom of TDS.
"In the social media platform Truth Social, Donald J. Trump, posted that fraud “allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” The December 3, 2022 post has evoked criticism from both democrats and a few republicans. On December 5, 2022, Donald J. Trump posted, claiming that the “Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to “terminate” the Constitution.”
Forget the Fake News, forget CNN, Fox, and all the organized press, examine his post yourself. To do so, you will have to create an account on Truth Social. Truth Social Provided the posts remain, you will see straight from the horse’s mouth exactly what he posted and then you have to ask, is there a difference between a call to ‘“terminate” the Constitution” which Trump says he didn’t do and “termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” which is exactly what he did advocate."
Here is what is being twisted by the Left and "others":
Your whole argument falls on it's false dilemma face...
Seems you are trying to ride on a hypothetical.
I'm not riding on the hypothetical at all. Biden, for good or bad, regardless of massive fraud, was installed as President Constitutionally (the US Constitution).That accusation is quite a stretch and appears to be a symptom of TDS.
"In the social media platform Truth Social, Donald J. Trump, posted that fraud “allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” The December 3, 2022 post has evoked criticism from both democrats and a few republicans. On December 5, 2022, Donald J. Trump posted, claiming that the “Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to “terminate” the Constitution.”
Forget the Fake News, forget CNN, Fox, and all the organized press, examine his post yourself. To do so, you will have to create an account on Truth Social. Truth Social Provided the posts remain, you will see straight from the horse’s mouth exactly what he posted and then you have to ask, is there a difference between a call to ‘“terminate” the Constitution” which Trump says he didn’t do and “termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” which is exactly what he did advocate."
Here is what is being twisted by the Left and "others":
Your whole argument falls on it's false dilemma face...
Seems you are trying to ride on a hypothetical.
We may argue that the Federal Government should have direct oversight over the election process and have direct authority over elections held in each state.
I can think of a few benefits. One would be a common standard.
But we are talking about the US Constitution as it is, without being amended.
Trump said that massive fraud allows for portions of the US Constitution to be terminated for the purpose of installing a different President or holding a new election to determine a past election.
Trump was wrong. He is, per @Revmitchell 's definition, a progressive activist.
No amount of fraud allows for the termination of the US Constitution.
canadyjd
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You are making a distinction without a difference. If Trump advocates that “fraud” allows for termination of “all rules, regulations etc…” found in the constitution, then he is advocating to terminate parts of the constitution….. …Specifically, those parts of the constitution that prevent him from being declared the winner or getting another election for 2020.That accusation is quite a stretch and appears to be a symptom of TDS.
"In the social media platform Truth Social, Donald J. Trump, posted that fraud “allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” The December 3, 2022 post has evoked criticism from both democrats and a few republicans. On December 5, 2022, Donald J. Trump posted, claiming that the “Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to “terminate” the Constitution.”
Forget the Fake News, forget CNN, Fox, and all the organized press, examine his post yourself. To do so, you will have to create an account on Truth Social. Truth Social Provided the posts remain, you will see straight from the horse’s mouth exactly what he posted and then you have to ask, is there a difference between a call to ‘“terminate” the Constitution” which Trump says he didn’t do and “termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” which is exactly what he did advocate."
Here is what is being twisted by the Left and "others":
Your whole argument falls on it's false dilemma face...
Seems you are trying to ride on a hypothetical.
Surely you understand that if that precedent is established, the constitution cannot survive.
Please remember, the constitution was followed. Accusations of fraud were examined by the courts and state legislatures. The results were certified per the constitution.
Just because many see it as impossible for Biden to get 81 million votes, the constitutional process was followed.
We are two years removed. The next election is on the way. If Trump doesn’t put this behind him and stop making these kinds of statements, the only legacy he will have is a sore loser POTUS. He is giving Hilary a run for her money as the biggest sore loser in POTUS election history.
peace to you
I am not riding on a hypothetical. I am addressing Trumps statemenet:That accusation is quite a stretch and appears to be a symptom of TDS.
"In the social media platform Truth Social, Donald J. Trump, posted that fraud “allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” The December 3, 2022 post has evoked criticism from both democrats and a few republicans. On December 5, 2022, Donald J. Trump posted, claiming that the “Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to “terminate” the Constitution.”
Forget the Fake News, forget CNN, Fox, and all the organized press, examine his post yourself. To do so, you will have to create an account on Truth Social. Truth Social Provided the posts remain, you will see straight from the horse’s mouth exactly what he posted and then you have to ask, is there a difference between a call to ‘“terminate” the Constitution” which Trump says he didn’t do and “termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” which is exactly what he did advocate."
Here is what is being twisted by the Left and "others":
Your whole argument falls on it's false dilemma face...
Seems you are trying to ride on a hypothetical.
So, with the relevation massive and widesoread fraud.... do you throw the Presidential election results of 2020 out and declare a rightful winner, or do you have a new election? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
Do you throw the Presidential election results of 2020 out and declare a rightful winner, or do you have a new election? No, of course not. That would be unconstitutional. Biden was constitutionally installed as POTUS. The Constitution does not allow Congregitional interference in State held elections.
A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
No, it does not. No amount of fraud allows for the termination of any part of the Constitution.
The solution? Citizens can sue their State, make them investigate. But we do not toss put the Constitution.
Yeah, so am I.
And in addressing, if one misrepresents an opponent’s position and then attacks him on that misrepresentation it merely amounts to a fallacious Strawman argument.
Now, some may claim it is not a misrepresentation but I have no reason to believe their claim about Trump to be the truth. Their bias in such a judgment is not unexpected, often radical and the attempt to twist the meaning of Trump’s statement is quite stereotypical of the methods of those who are obsessed with opposing him.