Featured What Exactly Does "Have Fellowship With Devils" Mean?

OK, let’s revisit the claim addressed.

The claim appears to be that because persons are not totally aware of it means they cannot be aligning themselves with the agenda of demons, that is, having spiritual commonality, purpose, mindset, etc. That is to be demonstrated, not merely asserted. It has not been demonstrated. Indeed, I think it cannot be.

There are two fellowships contrasted in the passage. One with Christ, the other with demons. Does Paul say that these Christians participating in the sacrifices understood what they were doing? It appears that Paul is correcting their thinking, not just their outward behavior. They seem ignorant of the reality, namely that their participation in the sacrifices was having fellowship with demons, which is what the non-Christians were doing.

 

OK. γίνομαι means to 'become' or to 'happen.' So 1 Cor. 10:20b could be translated, 'I do want want you to become fellowshippers with demons.' How do you think that affects the meaning of the passage?

But to bring the matter up to the present day, do you suppose that this might have relevance to professing Christians participating in 'interfaith' services or even looking up their horoscopes in the daily newspaper?

 

Your post makes an assertion beginning, “Because…,” with no scriptural support at all, nor even an argument other than personal opinion. It uses the wording “in actuality have any thought or intention in their minds.”

If the statement and its claim are being retracted, fine. Just say so. Or provide scriptural proof supporting it.

But denying its essential content, content which denies a possible interpretation of scripture, will only derail discussion. A demand that scripture be presented to refute the unproven claim is a baseless demand.

For all we know, Paul may very well mean what your post (without proof) denies he could mean. It has to be left on the table as a possibility for discussion.

 

The churches were all dealing with Rome and the requirements that you worship the god of the guild if you wished to work in a trade. Failure to worship meant failure to procure a good job. The churches, specifically Thyatira, were dealing with this and certainly Corinth would have the same issues.
Today, it's not much different. To move up corporately, especially in sales, you may be required to compromise holiness for profit gained.

 

As has already been stated, the only mindset or thought necessary is to participate. And what is being described in your posts is intentional participation. To be fellowshipping, one does not have to know the details of it, or know precisely what or whom else that fellowship entails.

It is quite believable that someone would say they did not realize they were participating with demons. More surprising would be those who said they fully realized it. The nature of deception is that people are deceived.

Furthermore, none of this meant as an accusation, merely observation. Paul meant what he meant, and his teaching was meant for Christians. Even Christians need to be taught better regarding these matters. Paul certainly thought so.

As a final note, there are many ways to be deceived. Paul notes that “Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light,” (see 2 Cor 11:14). There are many supposedly good spiritual things and supposedly good spiritual leaders that in fact are not. All Christians need guidance in these matters.

 

How many children did they have? Plenty.
Enough to grieve God with their utter sinfulness.

Which brings up a related point (no pun intended):

After the flood, we are told there were only four couples saved to repopulate the earth.

 

Oops. Sorry. Agree here. Misposted--wrong thread.

 

Wait a minute. You chose that excerpt from my position to disagree with? Doing so would be to disagree with your own posts, and fundamentals, and common sense.

And the only argument I’ve made is that your own assertions without proof cannot be the basis for beginning a fruitful discussion. They will only prevent fruitful discussion.

 

Reality…having interaction with demons

 

Oh, good. Then I get to have the last word.

Your post started an argument by asserting that Paul could not mean what you wish to deny, but did so without scriptural proof. Then your posts rant about how someone else is not supporting their own view with Scripture. My posts are expressing the view that such “argumentation” will never get anywhere, as the basis is mere opinion.

I’ll just end with unsupported warnings for others. Engage in idol worship and other such practices at your own peril. What you think you are doing may well deceive you. What is actually going on may well be your downfall. Demons are real. Better to never get involved. But Jesus can deliver you from them.

 

Some advice, use scripture to back up your claims and hypothesis.

 

MAY….