Featured The KJV has been Preserved more Perfectly than Human Possibility.

Some nice verses for this morning.

The KJV has been Preserved more Perfectly than Human Possibility.

That is 'according to me' and is original to me.

Also, the original language copies of the Original Autographs are Inspired and Preserved more perfectly than humanly possible, etc., etc.

How's that?

Well, they are.

We have to match up with the scriptures and our many Confessions of Faith regarding them.



"Preservation of Scripture"

"It makes sense that the God and Creator of the universe could accurately preserve his words if he chooses.

Not only has He claimed to do this, but evidence also shows that He has indeed done so.

"The Bible is not just a record of God’s “sayings”, nor is it simply man’s record of his "doings.”

"It does not merely contain the word of God.

"The Bible is the revealed word of God…. every word of it.

"It is His truth standard by which all personal beliefs are judged.

"It ALONE is the final authority for Christians.

"The New Testament has historically been the only textbook to govern the beliefs and activities of Christians.

"God's words are eternal and cannot be broken.

"To change His words is a direct attack on Him and an attempt at dethronement.

"Crimen Laesae Maiestatis (Latin) -literally, The Crime of Injured Majesty; an offense against the dignity, person, or authority of a reigning sovereign; high treason The ungodding of god; the un-wording of the word.

"Bible Verses About Scriptural Importance & Preservation"

Isaiah 40:8
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand forever.


Matthew 5: 18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 12: 6-7
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation forever.

Matthew 24: 35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Psalm 119: 89
Forever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Psalm 119: 152
Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them forever.

2 Timothy 3: 16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Romans 15: 4
For whatsoever things were written afore time were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.


Matthew 4: 4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


Psalm 138: 2
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. (The Word is above the Name of Jehovah.)

Philippians 2:9-10 -
"Wherefore God also hath...given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow)

Psalm 119: 160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth forever.


Psalm 100: 5
For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.

Psalm 12: 6-7
The words of the Lord are pure...Thou shalt keep them, …thou shalt preserve them from this generation forever.

1 Peter 1: 24-25
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth forever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

John 17: 8
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.


Mark 13: 31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Proverbs 30: 5
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him.

Psalm 12: 6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Predictions & Warnings Regarding Scripture

2 Peter 3: 16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

John 12: 48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Revelation 22: 18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

Nothing has been said about the "perfect" KJV, has there?

My statement is:

From: Best 5 Translations ?

"Where was the Word of God prior to 1611?

from: NON-RUCKMANITE ANSWERS TO ANTI-KJV QUESTIONS
by Jeffrey Khoo.

"Well, the Word of God is found in * the divinely inspired and perfectly preserved Traditional Text of OT and NT Scriptures used and recognized by the Church down through the ages, and in all the faithful and reliable translations that were based on those Texts, viz,

Martin Luther’s German Bible (1522),
William Tyndale’s Bible (1525),
Myles Coverdale’s Bible (1535),
The Matthew’s Bible (1537),
The Great Bible (1539-41),
and The Geneva Bible (1557-60).

"It is significant to note that prior to the KJV, the English translations were largely individual efforts.

"The KJV on the other hand is a corporate work.

"In the words of the translators,
the KJV was not produced “to make a bad one a good one;
but to make a good one better,
or out of many good ones one principal good one.”

"For this purpose and with such devotion the KJV translation committee was formed..."

* I will qualify, "the divinely inspired and perfectly preserved Traditional Text of OT and NT Scriptures", as "divinely inspired and perfectly preserved", by the Transcendent Superindendance of the Spirit of God to result in the "Traditional Text of OT and NT Scriptures", not having Plenary Inspiration but being Suffeciantly Inspired as the result of their origin and preserved more perfectly than humanly possible.

Same with the KJV.

Produced overall more perfectly than humanly possible.

I am not KJVO by any stretch of the imagination.

 

I don't know what you are saying.

You're not falling for this typical warning are you?

In what way could those scriptures have NOTHING to do with the KJV?

That is my attempt to bridge the written scriptures we have in our hands and the words written in them with our Confessions of Faith and the beliefs and intentions of believers for centuries.

In what way could these scriptures have NOTHING to do with the KJV?

Could you to me what you are adding to what I have said to get this(?)

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As above: "Where was the Word of God prior to 1611?

from: NON-RUCKMANITE ANSWERS TO ANTI-KJV QUESTIONS
by Jeffrey Khoo.

"Well, the Word of God is found in the divinely inspired and perfectly preserved Traditional Text of OT and NT Scriptures used and recognized by the Church down through the ages, and in all the faithful and reliable translations that were based on those Texts, viz,

Martin Luther’s German Bible (1522),
William Tyndale’s Bible (1525),
Myles Coverdale’s Bible (1535),
The Matthew’s Bible (1537),
The Great Bible (1539-41),
and The Geneva Bible (1557-60).

I'm not permitted to say, per the BB rules, below, although you bring up a good point.

from: Eleven Simple Rules for Posting

"9. Certain terms are off-limits in this forum.

"For example:

1. "The KJVO crowd will not refer to the Modern Versions as "perversions," "satanic," "devil's bibles," etc...nor call those that use them "Bible correctors," "Bible doubters," etc.
2. "The MV crowd will not refer to the KJVOs as "cults," "heretics," "sacrilegious," etc...nor refer to the KJV in derisive terms such as "King Jimmy's Bible," "Pickled Preserved Version," etc."

 

It is O.K. to explain yourself.

What is wrong with saying, "The KJV has been Preserved more Perfectly than Human Possibility."

Are you wanting to tell me you believe, "The production of the KJV in its present state, as a book, was achieved, solely, by the natural efforts of human beings?"

 

Hello, Deacon,

Here's a little lite reading for your Sunday.

I am in the process of attempting to articulate a Declaration of my own position, similar to what Tom Ross has done here.

For me to express a disparaging opinion of the KJV that is derogatory like, "It is an imperfect translation with a variety of shortcomings" as if it could be of little worth, is the furthest religious belief from the expression or confession I would like to convey.

I will be adopting something to this effect:

(the numbers for the references can be accessed at this link

From: A Declaration of My Own Position
on the Inspiration and Preservation of Holy Scripture
by Thomas Ross

"In light of modern controversies over the matters of the inspiration and preservation of Scripture, and to prevent misunderstanding of my own position on these questions, I have thought it appropriate to write a confession of my faith on these essential Biblical truths.

"I confess that God, through a supernatural operation of His Spirit, used holy men to miraculously produce the autographs of the 66 canonical books of the Bible, controlling them in such a manner that the very words, and all of the words, that they recorded were the very words of God Himself (2 Peter 1:16-21).

"This miraculous production of the autographs of the Bible was absolutely unique.

"It never has been, and never will be, replicated by any individual or group of individuals whatever who copy, collate, compile, or translate Biblical manuscripts.

"Consequently, all views that affirm that any copyist, compiler, or translator of the Bible was controlled in the same 3 miraculous manners as the original writers of Scripture must be rejected.

"I, therefore, reject the views of Peter Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, and all others who affirm that the King James Version contains advanced revelation or is superior to the original language texts of the Bible.1
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"I further confess that receiving with the faith of a little child (Matthew 18:3; Luke 18:16-17) God’s own testimony to His own perfectly inspired, preserved, and self-authenticating Word, only the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek Received Texts of Scripture, those original language texts from which the Authorized Version of the Bible was translated, fit the Biblical model of preservation.

"I confess that the modern critical Greek text of Scripture, represented in the Nestle-Aland and United Bible Society editions, being a modern creation that was not in use by the people of God for well over a thousand years, differing in c. 7% of its text from the Received Bible, and denying the possibility of certainty about the text of Scripture,6 can by no means be reconciled with God’s promises about the preservation of His Word.

"I likewise confess that the printed HodgesFarstad and Robinson-Pierpont texts, while far superior to the critical Greek text and far closer to the perfectly preserved Textus Receptus, do not fit the Scriptural pattern for the preservation of Scripture when they differ from the Received Text, for true churches have not been led by the Spirit of God to receive their texts as perfect, the idea that the pure Word of God was not available for century after century but only came into existence in print in 1992, and that God’s people have not had the pure Word in their vernacular languages, as no major translations in any language whatever have been made from the Hodges-Farstad and Robinson-Pierpont texts, is impossible.

"Furthermore, I confess that the Hodges-Farstad and Robinson-Pierpont texts are most improperly designated the “Majority Text,” for neither of them is a collation of the 5,000+ Greek manuscripts currently in existence, but they are rather collations of only a few hundred manuscripts, and there are hundreds of verses where they do not follow the reading of the majority of manuscripts.7

"Rather, the Textus Receptus that underlies the Authorized Version of the Bible, that holy Word that was in use by Baptist churches and believers in other denominations8 both in the time from the invention of the printing press until the present day, and also the type of text in use by the line of true churches and believers, who were first denominated Christians, and then Baptists or Anabaptists, in the ancient and medieval periods, is the true Majority Text, and the only text that the Spirit has led Bible-believing churches who accept the testimony of Scripture to its own preservation to receive as canonical and perfectly preserved.9

"I, therefore, confess with true churches, countless martyrs, and the humble and faithful people of God, that the Textus Receptus, loved, copied, printed, translated, read, memorized, meditated upon, and preached for century after century, is indeed God’s very living and holy Word, delivered miraculously from heaven, providentially10 and perfectly preserved* and with holy joy and wonder received by me in faith as His own living oracles in my hands.

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"I likewise confess that I reject all textual criticism that denies or ignores God’s own promises about His providential work in preserving His Word, and that approaches the holy Scriptures in an atheistic and naturalistic way as if God’s Word were to be evaluated as if it were any common, uninspired and unpreserved book, instead joyfully receiving, with love, holy reverence, awe, and fear (Psalm 119:97; 119:120; Isaiah 66:2), that very Received Text that has been in use by true churches and the people of God from the time that God gave the autographs until this day.

"I confess with such true churches and saints that the Scriptures I can with reverent delight hold in my hands, “being immediately inspired by God, and by his singular care and Providence kept pure in all Ages, are therefore authentical,” and likewise join such churches to confess that, while there is plentiful external evidence for the inspiration and preservation of Scripture, nonetheless our “full persuasion, and assurance of the infallible truth, and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts.”11

"In relation to the English translation of the Authorized Version, I confess that I receive it with veneration, believing that the God who providentially works in all of history would certainly providentially work in relation to the translation of His Word that would be in use by Baptist churches for over 400 years in the language that God ordained would become the first truly world-wide language since the tower of Babel.

"I confess that I do not believe that modern Baptist churches should use any other English translation than the Authorized Version, nor do I see any necessity for revising the KJV at any time during my lifetime. 12

"However, I also confess that the promises of preservation are specifically made for Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words, not English words (Matthew 5:18) and that there are no specific promises that state that Scripture would be translated without error.

"Since no verses of the Bible promise a perfect English translation, I respect the views of brethren who, while receiving the promises of God concerning the preservation of His perfect* Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words, believe that there are places where the English of the King James Version would be better-rendered otherwise.13

"Furthermore, I recognize that there can be more than one accurate way to translate a verse from the original language into the vernacular.14

"Nevertheless, because the people of God who do not know the original languages should have (a justified) confidence that when they hold the King James Bible in their hands, they have God’s very Word in their own language, and because I respect the high confidence that the Head of the church has led His congregations to place in the English of the Authorized Version, and because I have found in my own language study that, time and again, there are excellent reasons for the translation choices in the Authorized Version, and because I am not aware of any single place where I can, with a certain confidence and definitiveness, affirm that the English of the King James Version cannot possibly be justified as a translation but is indubitably in error,15 I refrain from criticizing the English of the King James Bible, and when it is appropriate in preaching and teaching to mention a different way the text can be translated, I choose to say, “this word (or verse, etc.) could also be translated as” rather than “this word (or verse, etc.) would be better translated as.”

"This is the faith that I confess in relation to the translation of the Bible into my mother tongue.

"All of the above is the faith in the inspiration and preservation of Scripture I believe and confess with my whole mind and heart.

"Unless convinced otherwise by the Scriptures, I will continue to believe and confess this faith, by the enabling grace of God, until Christ’s return or my death."
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* my note on them saying, "perfect". May I suggest that this is too much for me to say and that is why I try to go with, "More Perfect than Humanly Possible."

That allows God to be included by His Transcendent Superindendance of the Spirit of God to result in the copies of the Original Autographs in the "Traditional Text of OT and NT Scriptures", to not have Plenary Inspiration but to be Sufficiently Preserved and Inspired as the result of their origin and are, therefore, said by me, to be preserved more perfectly than humanly possible.

Same with the KJV.

Produced overall more perfectly than humanly possible.

 

Isolation is what you are talking about.

I consider these to be trusted Bibles.

 

That's a qualification you've placed on it, not me.

 

O.K., beautiful!

 

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That's what I swore to, in #11; The KJV has been Preserved more Perfectly than Human Possibility.

Inspiration does not always fall into the same tracks.

 

Again,

I just said, "The KJV has been Preserved more Perfectly than Human Possibility", without any reference to there being any more or not.

So again, "The KJV has been Preserved more Perfectly than Human Possibility", hasn't it?

Don't you consider the AV a 'miracle' to some degree?

Isn't it, in the words of our bodies that were "fearfully and wonderfully made", wouldn't you consider the KJV, as "fearfully and wonderfully made", Bible?