Featured Was it the Choice of God That You Were Born Into the World

You did not read the whole story. God killed Onan specifically for spilling the seed on the ground. This was a Satanic effort to disrupt the highway of the seed of the woman who will eventually crush his head.

Satan knew this prophesy.


Genesis 49:10

10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Tamar is one of 8 gentile women in the line of Jesus Christ, typical of the gentile church.

 

A couple things here.

Your posting is silly and immature and you do not seem to understand this debate forum and how it works. You can see that I chose the subject that questions one of the main tenets of the Reformed faith. I posed the subject as a question and in my first comment and in my first sentence and with my first word I answered the question. The intention is to be adversarial. It is a challenge against your beliefs and is an opportunity for you to advance a scriptural and convincing argument why your understanding is true.

This is my thread. I chose the subject. I ask the questions. I will interact with you and you will learn from my responses why I think you are wrong and I am right. But you do not come on my thread demanding I answer your questions before saying a single word in defense of your doctrine that God chose people whom he saves before creation when he does not even choose who will be born on the earth.

If you want to debate a subject that is peculiar to my system of theology then start your own thread and ask whatever questions you have. I am happy to defend the scriptures and explain my beliefs.

It is instructive that no Calvinist has yet attempted to explain this doctrine for the simple reason the scriptures don’t teach it.I am going to ignore your comments until you demonstrate a little better grasp of what’s going on here.

 

Precreation election unto salvation from the penalty of your sins, which is the second death in the lake of fire, is the foundation of your salvation. The first and most important thing that must happen for you to be saved is God’s choice of you personally. If he doesn’t choose you then everything that comes after that, including the cross of Jesus Christ, has not power to change your destiny. So, if I ask you the question what is most important in this matter of salvation, being elected By God or the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, you would have to answer your election, if you are honest.


1 Corinthians 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

 

What you say you consider to be most important is irrelevant. If a man cannot be saved from the penalty of sins unless he is personally chosen by God to be saved before he created the world, Jesus dying a hundred deaths on earth would not change anything. Being chosen is by default the first and most important doctrine of salvation in Calvinism. Add the doctrine that men have no ability to believe unless God miraculously gifts them with faith and he does that only for the prechosen then that makes the cross an incidental necessity behind several other things.

Why am I wrong about election being the foundation of the Christian faith in Calvinism?

 

I have not misrepresented the teaching of Calvinism and Reformation doctrine as it relates to who can be saved and how they are saved and on what basis they are saved. Election by God of certain unnamed individuals before the creation of the world to be saved is the fundamental and foundational and driving force of this system whether one is a hyper Calvinist or a more moderate one. The very fact that God himself controls the dispersion of faith among sinners on earth and gives it as a gift to those only whom he has chosen to be saved is solid proof that the gospel of Jesus Christ is not the means of his salvation of sinners and has no effect on those who God has no interest in saving. Therefore being one of those chosen individuals is more important than any thing else in this system. It is foundational to the Christianity of these elect. It is a subtle change to the gospel brought about by the Reformers and many have fallen prey to it’s influence.

We are instructed.

2 Corinthians 11:1-4
1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

I encourage a reading of the remainder of this chapter.

 

Yes, thanks to you. My problem is not with individual Calvinists like you but with the system of Calvinism. I hope you understand that.

PS
If it helps any i do not remember a single like or agreement of any of my comments on this thread so you are solidly in the majority here. I am a lone passenger on a ship sailing across the sea of Reformation Baptists and Presbyterians..