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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Salty, Aug 14, 2023.

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  1. JonC

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    In Jeremiah, I believe this is Asherah.

    But in Roman paganism it is Juno (the "mother God" of Rome). She was the patron goddess of the Roman Empire. Juno was a type of savior as a counselor to the state, a mediator. She was associated with the white lily, symbolizing purity. June is named after the goddess.
     
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    Indeed… well in our home, it’s the White Boxer named Blue.
     
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    Interesting point. Thanks for the interaction.
     
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    Here's a minor correction. Actually, what Constantine did was make Christianity legal along with other religions. It was not made the official religion until 380.
     
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  5. JonC

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    Yep. That honor belongs to Theodosius.
     
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    It does matter what Ignatius taught, he was Bishop of Antioch, disciple of John the Apostle, and Martyr. If people want to know what the early Church believed, then an Apostolic Father and Bishop, Martyr like Him would teach it.

    The Eucharist is Jesus Himself, put me in the arena with Ignatius and those lions and I will die for that same belief. I recognised the Lord at the breaking of the bread.

    You think Jesus was humble dying on the Cross for us, He was even humbler yet to be the our very food of life and grace from the Eternal Father, our daily bread.

    I am witness to Jesus miracles even this past weekend in street ministry, His Life passes out from me to give Life, real life to the dead.
    The “losers” and “whores “ of this life are walking in heaven because of Jesus Love and Mercy. People don’t understand.

    I understand the psalm “ As the deer longs for running streams, so my soul longs for you. “ . Each day at church my heart races uncontrollably right before Holy Communion with Jesus, as each night my soul wakes me early in spontaneous prayer.
    My heart and soul can not wait till I receive Jesus in the morning. It is The Lord.
    It can’t be explained, I wish you knew what I knew, Jesus is real Love and Peace and Joy, but those are just words, no one can describe His Love, it’s beyond anything.
    Jesus Love will kill you if He didn’t tune it down for us. You think you will burst. I asked Jesus to expand and enlarge my heart, He did, and it didn’t matter, He will still burst those limits and beyond. There is no limit to Jesus. No limit.

    All that happens when when your heart is enlarged is you suffer more and you long more for dear Jesus, sweet Lord Jesus.

    Jesus is burning fire when you receive Him in The Eucharist. The longing in you is fire and when those two fires meet they must blaze out to the whole of creation. It must go out, this Love must express itself, it cannot be contained by anything.

    Sometimes at night you are held in complete Love by Jesus and The Father, and other nights you are cold, in pain and shivering holding the infant Jesus to keep Him warm. An idiot labourer holding Jesus the King of kings peacefully asleep in my arms all night.
    Then at Communion I am no longer tired, full strength and rested and out to do His Holy Will.

    As we trust and rest in Him, He trusts us and rests in us. Jesus trusts us with His Infant Self as if at Bethlehem in a manger, a feeding trough for sheep. We are the warm place for Jesus in this cold dark world, as useless as we are. He makes His home in us as we make our home in Him.

    We see another world through Him because His Kingdom is not of this world. Holding Him we say that He does not belong here, but His Most Holy Loving Face says it does and surely does.

    At that holy time of Communion, we hand over everything and all of our being, and know in our longing that the Lord can not fail to respond with all of Himself. Jesus never fails, Jesus never betrays.
    Our hearts are created for nothing but Jesus, and only Jesus can be it’s fill.

    Those who truly Love Jesus will not fail to recognise Him at the breaking of the bread.
     
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    For goodness sake brother, do not call The Eucharist pagan.

    The Eucharist is all that Jesus is, given in Love for us all.

    I Know that it’s Jesus, I recognise the Lord. You do not understand.

    People can not fathom this gift so great and the humility and condescension so great, without understanding His Love so great.

    Not on this earth or eternity can man or highest angel understand how humble Jesus allowed Himself to be for us.

    The Eucharist is a hot coal from The Eternal Light, an innocent babe born to us to save us in darkness each and every day.

    The Eucharist is Jesus, Body Blood Soul and Divine. Truly Communion, Truly Love, Sacred Mercy and Eternal Goodness and Life in One.

    The Eternal Father sent this daily bread that all those that believed in Him would Live.

    “ He who eats my Flesh and drinks my Blood has Eternal life, and I will raise him up on the Last Day. “

    “ Does this offend you? “

    Don’t be offended. Believe. It is the Lord who spoke so believe,

    Only the literal understanding is offensive, but believe it anyway, because Jesus said it. Step out and believe.

    Call out to The Father in all of His Mercy for your heart to finally believe.

    Stand on His Word and believe.

    Only Faith is the Garment to attend this Covenant Feast, to take your place, eat and drink with glad hearts.
     
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    The Eucharist as defined by the Catholic Church is pagan.

    The Catholic Church dies exactly what others do to validate their views as belonging to the Early Church. You assume a few sentences extracted from the context of an entire argument proves "they" were like you. They are not.

    The Greek word (eucharistia) means thanksgiving and is an expression of thanks in remembrance. You forget that Irenaeus' language was Greek. The Catholic Church made the Eucharistia (the ordinance observed in thankful remembrance of Christ giving Himself) pagan. It was not always that way.

    That is not to say that observing the Eucharistia is not a legitimate communion of Christ and the Christian. But it doesn't mean that bread and wine turn to literal flesh and blood. The significance is much more significant.
     
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    Nothing is more significant than Jesus Himself come in the Flesh.

    Not just for Apostolic times, but our time.

    Jesus is God with us, right here and now.

    Men may see only bread, but the eyes of my soul look upon His Holy Face. It is Jesus. It is the Lord.

    “ Happy those who do not see, yet still believe. “

    Only in believing are the scales removed, only in believing is Jesus revealed.

    No disguise of The Lord works to those who believe, they see.

    Holy helpless infant Jesus arms outstretched to our heart, Holy Fire, Holy Love, Holy Goodness, Holy Sweetness, Holy Peace, Holy Joy.

    Once you see and embrace you can not unsee and unembrace. It is the Lord Himself.

    This is the longing so long awaited that nothing on this earth can fulfil. This is our Joy this side of heaven.

    Only Jesus is life.
     
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    and that by itself - I fully agree!
     
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    I am not saying Jesus coming in the flesh is insignificant. I am saying that the Catholic Euchrast is insignificant in comparison to biblical Communion.

    Jesus coming in the flesh is not something that occurs in our time. He died once, for all. He is present in a more meaningful way than Catholicism will allow.
     
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    But many hymns are prayers.
     
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    Our Baptist church doesn't use repetitive hymns except one I sometimes "Come ye that love the Lord and let your joys be known

    We dont sing CCM.
     
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    It is many years since I read this, sorry I got the wrong. I believe it was at the time of Constantine time that the Latin and Greek churches separated and when the Latin church began to be called Catholic.

    Elliott, writing in the first part of the 19th century, said at the beginning of his reign you could get a simple gospel service, but in 50 years, the churches were filled with flowers and incense.
    It was at that time that the Waldensians said they separated from Rome at the time of Sylvester, when the Let and Hindrance were taken out of the way. It must have been important to them as they still remembered him over 800 years later in their "Noble Lesson"
     
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    The Waldensians taught certain doctrines also held by the Catholic Church, but came into conflict with the Catholic Church by denying some of its sacraments or the manner in which they were performed; Waldensians taught the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist and affirmed the necessity of priests for the offering ...
     
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    It is biblical Communion, the entire purpose of the Scripture is to receive Jesus Himself in the Eucharist.

    “ You search the scriptures thinking that in them you will find life, the scripture bears witness to Me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may live. “

    “ He who eats my Flesh and drinks My Blood, abides in Me and I in Him “

    This is Covenant Communion. This is the new Manna come down from Heaven every day to sustain us.

    Jesus words stand for all time and Eternity, His flesh is real food and blood is real drink.

    In obedience to Jesus Words and Faith in His Words above all else, we eat His Flesh and drink His Blood as He commanded.

    “ He who eats My Flesh and drinks my Blood, has eternal life, and will raise Him up on the last day. “

    “ So He who eats Me, will live because of Me “
     
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    So Catholics believe that the elements become the actual blood of Christ
    It is simply a metaphor.
    Jesus also said:
    "I am the vine" a metaphor (John 6:35)
    "I AM the Door " A Metaphor (John 10:9)

    Ect, ect, ect
    another poster went into much detail on this thread.
     
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    Since the same things are constantly being repeated
    This thread will be closed no sooner than:

    2000 GMT, 4 pm EDT, 1 pm PDT
     
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    Metaphor we understand, the rhetorical we understand.

    He said THE Door, THE Vine. He did not say A Door or A Vine. Rightly do we understand Jesus speaking metaphorically here.

    But not in regard to His Body and Blood.

    Jesus said taking the bread in His hands “ This IS my Body “, “ This IS the cup of my Blood “

    What ever Jesus says is, IS. It can not be anything other. That’s the power He has as the Truth Incarnate. Nothing like that could be said unless it is so, unless it is fulfilled.

    If Jesus said something, just one thing that isn’t so, then He wouldn’t be the Word Incarnate, or the Way, Truth or Life, and Christianity would be false and our faith in vain.

    It is not enough to merely hear the word, we must eat The Word Incarnate, to abide in Him and He in us. This is how we “ abide in the word “.

    The whole purpose of Jesus doing this is so that He would be totally with us today, God with us, not just in Spirit, but in all Truth,

    What people can not fathom I suspect, is a Love so terrifyingly stupendous that Jesus would make Himself so completely available to us this way.
     
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    So, are you saying that Jesus turns into a door the same way he turns into the elements of communion?
     
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