Bought then Redeemed

[taisto]

I believe it is better to just accept that what you believe is not what I believe. You make no sense when I read your posts.

 

[kyredneck]

@Van never said anything about a potential payment.

???

People are saved when and if God credits their faith as righteousness.

 

[kyredneck]

@JonC

Perhaps @Van would explain how his soteriology is not a 'potential' redemption. It sounds to me like he's saying (for a while now) one puts their faith in Christ and God may or may not credit that faith as righteousness.

 

[Van]

Van. Hi again. I would answer my question that I sent you as this: No. He does not. As such was the case with
me when He dealt with me many years ago. God had mercy on me, as you display Romans 9:16, I can testify
that it was God that did the saving, all of It, I had nothing and it became real that faith was a gift of God, Ephesians 2:8-9
Amazing that God would save someone like me. My friend, should we never forget that glorious day.

So we agree, God alone saves individuals of His choice, and nothing "in or about" the individual "merits" His gracious salvation.
We do not agree, apparently (reading between the lines) as to our conditional election per 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

 

[Van]

???

Jesus paid the "ransom" 1 Timothy 2:6, not a potential ransom.
Face it, your objection is the denial of 2 Thessalonians 2:13 which says God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth, a conditional election.

 

[Van]

@JonC

Perhaps @Van would explain how his soteriology is not a 'potential' redemption. It sounds to me like he's saying (for a while now) one puts their faith in Christ and God may or may not credit that faith as righteousness.

Note this poster changes from potential ransom to potential redemption. Then does not address that Christ's death did not redeem everyone but was a ransom for all.

They can run, but they cannot hide.

 

[kyredneck]

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou _____ be saved, thou and thy house. Acts 16

a) shalt
b) might

 

[kyredneck]

People are saved when and if God credits their faith as righteousness.

It sounds to me like he's saying (for a while now) one puts their faith in Christ and God may or may not credit that faith as righteousness.

 

[Van]

More running from the truth. First is posts disinformation (i.e. potential ransom) then he avoids 'does not address that Christ's death did not redeem everyone but was a ransom for all.."

Again the elephant in the room is the avoidance of addressing that 2 Thessalonians 2:13 clearly teaches our conditional election for salvation.

 

[kyredneck]

Answer this question @Van:

If one puts their trust in Christ, is there any question that God will keep His promise and count that faith as righteousness?

 

[kyredneck]

Fill in the blank @Van:

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou _____ be saved, thou and thy house. Acts 16

a) shalt
b) might

 

[Van]

Answer this question @Van:

If one puts their trust in Christ, is there any question that God will keep His promise and count that faith as righteousness?

More running from the truth. First is posts disinformation (i.e. potential ransom) then he avoids 'does not address that Christ's death did not redeem everyone but was a ransom for all.."

Again the elephant in the room is the avoidance of addressing that 2 Thessalonians 2:13 clearly teaches our conditional election for salvation.

 

[Van]

Fill in the blank @Van:

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou _____ be saved, thou and thy house. Acts 16

a) shalt
b) might

More running from the truth. First is posts disinformation (i.e. potential ransom) then he avoids 'does not address that Christ's death did not redeem everyone but was a ransom for all.."

Again the elephant in the room is the avoidance of addressing that 2 Thessalonians 2:13 clearly teaches our conditional election for salvation.

Will we get still another drive by change the subject question or will this poster provide an answer? Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[kyredneck]

Answer this question @Van:

If one puts their trust in Christ, is there any question that God will keep His promise and count that faith as righteousness?

Fill in the blank @Van:

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou _____ be saved, thou and thy house. Acts 16

a) shalt
b) might

 

[Van]

Answer this question @Van:

If one puts their trust in Christ, is there any question that God will keep His promise and count that faith as righteousness?

Fill in the blank @Van:

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou _____ be saved, thou and thy house. Acts 16

a) shalt
b) might

More running from the truth. First is posts disinformation (i.e. potential ransom) then he avoids 'does not address that Christ's death did not redeem everyone but was a ransom for all.."

Again the elephant in the room is the avoidance of addressing that 2 Thessalonians 2:13 clearly teaches our conditional election for salvation.

Will we get still another drive by change the subject question or will this poster provide an answer? Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[Van]

If all are ransomed, but only some redeemed, is that not "potential redemption?"

 

[kyredneck]

running from the truth

YOU are the one that's dodging the questions Van. Explain your soteriology.

 

[Van]

YOU are the one that's dodging the questions Van. Explain your soteriology.

If all are ransomed, but only some redeemed, is that not "potential redemption?"

 

[kyredneck]

More running from the truth. First is posts disinformation (i.e. potential ransom) then he avoids 'does not address that Christ's death did not redeem everyone but was a ransom for all.."

This is not even the issue. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill in order to keep from explaining yourself. What are you afraid of?

Answer this question @Van:

If one puts their trust in Christ, is there any question that God will keep His promise and count that faith as righteousness?

Fill in the blank @Van:

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou _____ be saved, thou and thy house. Acts 16

a) shalt
b) might

 

[Van]

This is not even the issue. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill in order to keep from explaining yourself. What are you afraid of?

Answer this question @Van:

If one puts their trust in Christ, is there any question that God will keep His promise and count that faith as righteousness?

Fill in the blank @Van:

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou _____ be saved, thou and thy house. Acts 16

a) shalt
b) might

If all are ransomed, but only some redeemed, is that not "potential redemption?"

 

[Van]

If all are ransomed, but only some redeemed, is that not "potential redemption?"

 

[kyredneck]

It doesn't matter whether you've the guts to answer now or not. You've indicated in other threads that God may or may not credit one's faith as righteousness, you'll do it again.