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So you just continue in your denial of what the bible says even when I provide comments from calvinist commentaries that show you your view is wrong. So you are not looking for truth just support of your echo chamber view.

 

From what I have seen in the responses some require God to be wrathful. It seems they do not understand the old saying "there's a consequence for your actions".

 

Unfortunately philosophy seems to drive many of the response that we see on here and other boards.

Your starting point will determine the end point. The God that Loves or the wrathful God.

 

Yep

 

False. You are the one who is adding to what the Bible says to sustain your false views. Psalm 104:29 does not say merely that God "can" take away people's breath or "sometimes" He does so and they die and return to the dust. Your denial of what Scripture says shows that you are not looking for truth.

 

Are you claiming that God has never judged any wicked people and will only do so in the future? Are you claiming that God did not judge Adam, Eve, and the serpent for what each one of them did in the Fall of man?

 

I am not asking whether you hold that God will judge the wicked. Has God already judged any wicked people in the history of the world or not?

 

Yes I understand that it will cause issues with the debate. But what would you call it when one group tells you that, for example in Jn 3:16, world does not mean world, all people, but actually means the elect chosen before the foundation of the world.

I agree death can be both a punishment and a consequence but then you have to look at the context to see which is the correct why to understand it.

God told Adam not to do X for in that day you will die. He did X, consequence, spiritual separation and as we see in Gen 3:19 a list of consequences the main one being death. It is as if you have never heard the expression "there is a consequence for your actions".

God does not punish man for everything that they do but there are always consequences for what they do.

Look at your example:
The consequence of eating poison, you die. Whether God chose to punish the person or not if they chose to ingest the poison they would die. Action, consequence.

 

You do realize that the Psalms are considered poems, its poetic medium recognized almost from the very beginning of psalmic commentary. Josephus, Origen, Eusebius, and Jerome all suggest that the Psalms are poetry, even as verse arranged in lines. Oxford Academic https://academic.oup.com/edited-volume/35006/chapter-abstract/298739768?redirectedFrom=fulltext


In Reflections on the Psalms, C. S. Lewis emphasized the importance of studying the Psalms as poetry, with its unique forms and characteristics. He wrote:

What must be said … is that the Psalms are poems, and poems intended to be sung: not doctrinal treatises, nor even sermons. … Most emphatically the Psalms must be read as poems; as lyrics, with all the licenses and all the formalities, the hyperboles, the emotional rather than logical connections, which are proper to lyric poetry. They must be read as poems if they are to be understood; no less than French must be read as French or English as English. Otherwise we shall miss what is in them and think we see what is not.
2. What Is a Psalm? | Bible.org

You are taking poetry and reading it as if it were literal. God taking their breath away = they died. Not that He made them die.

 

These statements are merely your "philosophy" and not what Scripture teaches. Your claim that judgment is much more severe than death is just an assertion until you support it with actual biblical evidence and argumentation.

 

The NT writers use the book of Psalms more than any other book of the Bible, and they do so to teach doctrine.

Moreover, the context refutes your claim.

Psalm 104:24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches. 25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts. 26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein. 27 These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season. 28 That thou givest them they gather: thou openest thine hand, they are filled with good. 29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. 30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

The passage extols the Lord's works and wisdom (104:24), which are set forth in vv. 25-30. Verses 27-28 stress that God feeds all the living beings that He made. Jesus' teaching shows that what the Psalms say was not just "poetry" because He declared as fact that it is our Heavenly Father who feeds the birds (Matt. 6:26).

Jesus is right; you are wrong. The same holds true for what vv. 29-30 teach.