Featured Satan Murdered Jesus - The Scripture and Theology

A wealthy father of two grown churches often becomes seriously ill.
The wicked son prays that his father died so that he can get an inheritance.
The loving son prays that his father recovers.
The Father dies. That was God's will.
You praise the wicked son as he prayed for what was ultimately God's will, and you condemn the loving son because his father died.

That's just an illustration. Let's look at Christ and the Cross.

Peter referred to the killing of Christ as a sin, but indicated that those men could be forgiven.

You say they did not sin because it was God's predetermined plan that Christ died under the scheme of Satan. But you ignore the reason it was God's will, which is found in the Resurrection.

You put 11 of the Disciples in the evil category for viewing Christ's death as unjust and Satan (in Judas) in the good category for working to kill Jesus.

You label Peter as wicked because he told the pharisees Jesus called children of Satan that their action, while being God's will, was evil.

You praise those men Jesus called children of the Devil because they plotted to kill Jesus, which was God's will.


You and Martin have a very unbiblical theory.

I believe you cannot be persuaded by Scripture. You and Martin are what Scripture speaks of when God warns us not to be carried away by vain philosophy.


But, according to the Bible those who planned to kill Jesus were children of the Devil, it was Satan who entered Judas to betray Christ, Christ suffered and died at the hands of wicked men, evil doers, was crucified unjustly, and that crucifixion was evil, unjust, and sinful.

It is Van and Martin vs Scripture. I choose to believe the later.


And you are wrong by saying you do not sin. The born again Christian has a Mediator in Christ.

You address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, so you should conduct yourselves in fear.

Instead you post that you do not sin since you are a Christian. I suggest your approach to Scripture on this issue is in fact a sin as it is leaning on your own understanding rather than trusting God's word.

Your post highlights the danger of being carried away by philosophy. You think you no longer need forgiveness.


My little children, I am writing you these things so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ the Righteous One.

 

References have already been provided (Peter's sermon in Acts, Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, John 8).

Let's not pretend you will be persuaded by Scripture.

 

Again, nobody is denying that.

You are trying to pull out verses while denying others. Scripture is not a smorgasbord where you get to pick and choose which verses to believe.

Jesus said "No one takes my life from me. I give my life of my own free will. I have the authority to give my life, and I have the authority to take my life back again."

That is true. He lay down His own life and died under the powers of evil, of Satan.


Your neo-Christianity is odd (even for a Penal Substitution theorist). Is this new kind of faith popular in the UK (it does seem that liberalism often starts there and then infects other countries).

 

Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, John 8, and Acts 2-3.....to name a few.

Jesus called those who came against Him as being of the Devil (Satan). Satan entered Judas to turn Christ over. Those who crucified Christ are called "wicked men", "evil", and "evil doers", "unjust", Peter classified the crucifixion as evil, as sin.

But this was God's predetermined plan. God would vindicated Christ, Christ would be raised from the grave (the "resurrection") thereby disarming Satan (and removing the sting of death).


Do you know of any verses stating that Jesus was killed by godly men, men doing God's will, or even by God?