House GOP in Turmoil

[JonC]

Oh my goodness!!!! It appears the repubs have elected a new speaker!!!

Just in time too. There was absolutely horrible damage being done to the American people because of what the “eight RINO’s” did!

Although such damage was never really identified, I’m sure hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of babies, old people, disabled folks, veterans as well as cats and dogs were damaged.

Not to mention the damage to the environment, unemployment rates skyrocketed, millions of small businesses have shut down, crime is running rampant and so on…

..all because these “eight RINO’s” took a stand not to betray their constituents.

Now, the only thing left to do is dish out the appropriate punishment toward these “eight RINO’s”. I wonder how many years in prison will satisfy the elites?? Or perhaps they will demand the death penalty.

peace to you

It actually remains bad news (electing a speaker.....and I like Johnson) only undoes part of a bad decision.

Time will tell what can be done in the limited time available.

So hold your celebrations.


Like I said, I like the 8 RINOs politics. I do not like using Americans as pawns, but I realize this is politics


And it does not change the fact that they are RINOs (just like the "squad" are DINOs). Neither represents their party.

The difference is that the DNC seems to be moving towards the "squads" position while the GOP seems to be moving away from the 8 RINOs position.

 

[JonC]

I honestly think you would have complained 7 months ago had they done it then.
There is no convenient time. I say the Dems are causing long term pain on the People. The people may have to endure short term pain to avoid long term agony.

No, I wouldn't have. The GOP today is far from the GOP decades ago. It'd have been good to shake them up (continue what Trump did but in Congress).

I simply hate it when politicians use the people they should be serving. And they all do it.

Matt Gaetz is funded by fuel companies, shipping companies, building companies....Andy Biggs by auto groups, energy companies....but they all are.


American people elect representatives who actually represent companies. And that is how our system is designed.

 

[Reynolds]

No, I wouldn't have. The GOP today is far from the GOP decades ago. It'd have been good to shake them up (continue what Trump did but in Congress).

I simply hate it when politicians use the people they should be serving. And they all do it.

Matt Gaetz is funded by fuel companies, shipping companies, building companies....Andy Biggs by auto groups, energy companies....but they all are.


American people elect representatives who actually represent companies. And that is how our system is designed.

I don't think our system is designed that way. ithink it has degraded into this. It is a complete mess. Any way of fixing it will cause pain. "If "The tree of liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.", surely we can afford to miss a few checks. Our founders sacrificed blood and great wealth to get us these freedoms. Surely we can sacrifice a little economic comfort.

 

[JonC]

I don't think our system is designed that way. ithink it has degraded into this. It is a complete mess. Any way of fixing it will cause pain. "If "The tree of liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.", surely we can afford to miss a few checks. Our founders sacrificed blood and great wealth to get us these freedoms. Surely we can sacrifice a little economic comfort.

I don't think it was designed that way either ...but it has been that way long before you and I were born.

It is not sacrificing a little economic comfort. That idea is a part of the problem. There are people who will not be able to feed their children, pay their rent.

The "establishment" views it as sacrificing a little economic comfort because they are out of touch. They have absolutely no sense of other people's reality. They think people can do without income for a few months and recover. But too many are living check to check.

Absence of a few months pay is not - to them - sacrificing a little economic comfort.

And it isn't, as some Republicans have suggested on Fox - just waiting out a month to get back pay. They don't get back pay. That could of months without pay equates to a year trying to catch up. And then it all happens again.

 

[Reynolds]

I don't think it was designed that way either ...but it has been that way long before you and I were born.

It is not sacrificing a little economic comfort. That idea is a part of the problem. There are people who will not be able to feed their children, pay their rent.

The "establishment" views it as sacrificing a little economic comfort because they are out of touch. They have absolutely no sense of other people's reality. They think people can do without income for a few months and recover. But too many are living check to check.

Absence of a few months pay is not - to them - sacrificing a little economic comfort.

And it isn't, as some Republicans have suggested on Fox - just waiting out a month to get back pay. They don't get back pay. That could of months without pay equates to a year trying to catch up. And then it all happens again.

Do I need to go through the list of the signers of The Declaration of Independence and what it cost each one of them? The sad reality is the citizens of the USA live way above their means. They have spent their entire life buying something that costs $499 a month and they don't even know for how many months or at what APR. At some point in time, reality must set in.The lending/banking system makes literally trillions now off the debt driven mentality of our nation and its' citizens. Sometimes reality lessons are tough. At some point in time, the Fed is going to have to allow a major, very painful correction or we will experience a depression so painful it dwarfs the 1930s. I went to college and worked full time while in college. I worked at Sheriff's office for $435 to $475 net on my check every 2 weeks. Past my sophomore year, there was never a time I could not have been out of work at least 3 months and been fine. BUT, I didn't have all the TOYS my friends had.

 

[JonC]

Do I need to go through the list of the signers of The Declaration of Independence and what it cost each one of them? The sad reality is the citizens of the USA live way above their means. They have spent their entire life buying something that costs $499 a month and they don't even know for how many months or at what APR. At some point in time, reality must set in.The lending/banking system makes literally trillions now off the debt driven mentality of our nation and its' citizens. Sometimes reality lessons are tough. At some point in time, the Fed is going to have to allow a major, very painful correction or we will experience a depression so painful it dwarfs the 1930s. I went to college and worked full time while in college. I worked at Sheriff's office for $435 to $475 net on my check every 2 weeks. Past my sophomore year, there was never a time I could not have been out of work at least 3 months and been fine. BUT, I didn't have all the TOYS my friends had.

I am talking about Americans who will suffer because of politicians, not people choosing to go to college or enter law enforcement.

I made $750 a month as a married soldier when I joined.

It is different when politicians are the cause of its citizens problems ... And typically they are.

When you have single parents not taking welfare, not a applying for food stamps, but working to provide for their children and politicians stop their pay for a political statement then it is wrong.

These people are trying to feed their families. They are not in debt. They are living in a time where they do not have enough income to buy a house but have to pay $1200 a month to rent a two bedroom apartment.

You do the math.

The median income for a single parent here is about 23k. Feeding and clothing 2 children, paying for rent, gas, probably a car payment because they can't pay cash for a clunker, utilities, school fees....and you think they should have been saving for an emergency.

You are speaking like one of the establishment. People can't pull themselves up by their boot straps if they can't afford boots. There is a disconnect.

We are all guilty of those assumptions. I don't worry about money. I did when I was younger and struggling, but I don't now. And if I didn't know a few of these single parents I'd probably have the same attitude as you towards them.

We like to classify anybody that is struggling as experiencing some type of self-inflicted pain. But often that is not the case.


And I even resent the loss of income it will cost me. The reason is that that money, instead of being invested by me, will be used as a political tool by a few politicians.


To make matters worse, those politicians won't suffer. Matt Gaetz says he will not give away his income but will defer it because, while his family is very wealthy, he is not independently wealthy.

Guess what? Neither are those people he is robbing to make a point.

 

[JonC]

I also gauge politicians by their ability to do their job. This one comes with a timeline. All failed. If this were the "real world" all of them would be fired and replaced.

If we started doing that then sooner or later we'd get politicians that would do their job out of political necessity. They wouldn't want to be fired.

I believe every politician in the House and Senate should be fined a significant amount for every day they miss a deadline.


It won't happen because they make their own rules. None of them actually represent the people they are elected to represent. Even the 8 RINOs don't represent the people they were elected to represent. For example, Matt Gaetz is supposed to represent not only the people who voted for him but the people who voted against him (he is also their representative). Instead they all represent those who bought them. It is a corrupt system.

 

[Wingman68]

 

[JonC]

I agree with that Matt Gaetz quote.

Unfortunately Gaetz is owned by the corporations that bought him (for a little over $5 million).

That is the problem. Gaetz does not represent his state. He represents those economic sectors from which 70% of his funding came. They purchased him and he acts for their interest. Over 30% of the people Gaetz is supposed to represent are not represented. The remainder are only insofar as their interests correspond with his masters.

And this is not unique to Gaetz. It applies to all of our politicians.

We vote, but corporations who purchase these men and women are the true elected bodies. Our vote is simply nothing, once a candidate is elected, in comparison with the money used to put those people in power.

In other words....those corporations did not give Gaetz $5 million to get him elected for nothing. They paid the money for their own interests.

 

[Wingman68]

You are owned as well. You cry like a baby if your paycheck is threatened. You pretend to care about people who are truly suffering under Bidenomics, & will continue to do so unless this movement of the people that Gaetz talks about succeeds. Again, why should anyone care what your take is on any of the political games. You are not relevant. You do not take a stand, yet you can’t stop talking about any of it. Strange.

 

[KenH]

Regardless of how rulers get in positions of power - elected, appointed, force, etc. - rulers rule.

Flowery language about being "servants of the people, blah, blah, blah" is just that - flowery language. Government is carnal politics and power; it is not the church.

 

[JonC]

You are owned as well. You cry like a baby if your paycheck is threatened. You pretend to care about people who are truly suffering under Bidenomics, & will continue to do so unless this movement of the people that Gaetz talks about succeeds. Again, why should anyone care what your take is on any of the political games. You are not relevant. You do not take a stand, yet you can’t stop talking about any of it. Strange.

What a stupid comment.

No, I'm not owned. I can do without my paycheck. I'll go fishing.

My concern is for those who cannot.

That is the problem with politicians (and people like you). You do not care about Americans or people who suffer. You only care about your self-interest and you assume everybody is like you.

I do take a stand. That is why you are crying so loudly. My stand hurts your feelings.

You don't like the fact that corporations own Gaetz, that they purchased him with a little over $5,000,000.00 because that doesn't fit in your fantasy world. You don't like the fact that he does not represent the people he was elected to represent but instead looks after his owners interest.

That said, I actually agree with Gaetz's policies. So you are condemning yourself.

 

[Reynolds]

I am talking about Americans who will suffer because of politicians, not people choosing to go to college or enter law enforcement.

I made $750 a month as a married soldier when I joined.

It is different when politicians are the cause of its citizens problems ... And typically they are.

When you have single parents not taking welfare, not a applying for food stamps, but working to provide for their children and politicians stop their pay for a political statement then it is wrong.

These people are trying to feed their families. They are not in debt. They are living in a time where they do not have enough income to buy a house but have to pay $1200 a month to rent a two bedroom apartment.

You do the math.

The median income for a single parent here is about 23k. Feeding and clothing 2 children, paying for rent, gas, probably a car payment because they can't pay cash for a clunker, utilities, school fees....and you think they should have been saving for an emergency.

You are speaking like one of the establishment. People can't pull themselves up by their boot straps if they can't afford boots. There is a disconnect.

We are all guilty of those assumptions. I don't worry about money. I did when I was younger and struggling, but I don't now. And if I didn't know a few of these single parents I'd probably have the same attitude as you towards them.

We like to classify anybody that is struggling as experiencing some type of self-inflicted pain. But often that is not the case.


And I even resent the loss of income it will cost me. The reason is that that money, instead of being invested by me, will be used as a political tool by a few politicians.


To make matters worse, those politicians won't suffer. Matt Gaetz says he will not give away his income but will defer it because, while his family is very wealthy, he is not independently wealthy.

Guess what? Neither are those people he is robbing to make a point.

If things keep going the way they are, everyone will suffer. In my opinion, The Democrats and true RINOS who demand this huge defect spending are the ones playing games with people and destroying our nation.
I want to see them correct this economy. It will require a recession so deep it it could be considered a depression. If it keeps going, you will see the repeat of the great depression. With the current lack of morals in population, it will be a violent time as well.
BUT.....continue on. Business as usual. No one should be inconvenienced by missing a check.
As I said earlier, If I don't work, I don't get paid. I have trouble sympathizing too much for those who have guaranteed income 99.9% of the time having to swallow a reality pill on rare occasion.

 

[JonC]

If things keep going the way they are, everyone will suffer. In my opinion, The Democrats and true RINOS who demand this huge defect spending are the ones playing games with people and destroying our nation.
I want to see them correct this economy. It will require a recession so deep it it could be considered a depression. If it keeps going, you will see the repeat of the great depression. With the current lack of morals in population, it will be a violent time as well.
BUT.....continue on. Business as usual. No one should be inconvenienced by missing a check.
As I said earlier, If I don't work, I don't get paid. I have trouble sympathizing too much for those who have guaranteed income 99.9% of the time having to swallow a reality pill on rare occasion.

Everybody is already suffering to a point.

Think about how much we pay to the government (income tax, state tax, sales tax, tax on fuel, property tax). And then think how many times each dollar is taxed (when earned, when spent, when invested).

Then we have congressmen who are funded by corporations. They can't vote against what those entities want. They are more important than actual voters.

But yes....people should not have to go without pay checks because of the government.


I mean, think about it.

Matt Gaetz says that he will not give away his paycheck because he is not independently wealthy. He will take a deferral and collect back pay. How cowardly is that????

I like his platform but he is expecting other people, not himself, to suffer.

At least Trump (granted, he didn't need the cash) gave away his government pay. I can respect that.


Now....if you don't get paid when you don't work and you chose that occupation then that's on you. When I was self employed it was on me. I certainly hope you either have a retirement or make enough money to justify your career choice if you don't get paid.

But it is one think to be self employed and another thing to not get paid because Congress has failed to pass a budget as required.

It is a part of their job.


If you hired somebody and required them to have a budget set by 1 Oct, but they didn't....you'd fire them I hope


Too many people milk the system. Congress is in this boat. They are not held responsible.

Gaetz has nothing to loose. He won't loose any money. His corporate backers won't loose any money (they will actually make money if the government shuts down). He has no skin in the game. None of them do. They are all crooks.

To make matters worse, nothing will be accomplished because 8 RINO votes will not change government spending. The GOP will just rely on moderate Democrats and business will continue as usual. Remember the Tea Party?

 

[Reynolds]

8 people are trying to do what is right. In a free market, you get a check when work is available. If the govt is shut down, work is not available. I have no problem with that. We are not entitled to anything. If I don't hustle up orders, I don't get a check. People need to learn how capitalism really works. Nothing is guaranteed. I hope the Fed goes ahead and burns this bloated economy down, but I have no confidence they will.

 

[JonC]

8 people are trying to do what is right. In a free market, you get a check when work is available. If the govt is shut down, work is not available. I have no problem with that. We are not entitled to anything. If I don't hustle up orders, I don't get a check. People need to learn how capitalism really works. Nothing is guaranteed. I hope the Fed goes ahead and burns this bloated economy down, but I have no confidence they will.

That's the thing. Everybody there thinks they are doing what is right, but in the end they are serving themselves.

Look at Gaetz. He is funded by corporations giving $5,000,000.00 from specific economic sectors. Andy Biggs has PAC donors. They are all the same (not just the 8 RINOs).

So let's not pretend those men serve out of the goodness of their heart. Heck, Gaetz is better off than most of those voters he is supposed to represent and he won't give up his salary.

Now let's consider what a representative is supposed to do. It isn't just the Republicans. But if the Republicans his popularity has dropped (not enough to cost him) since ousting the speaker.


Again, I actually agree with what Gaetz stands for, but he is not doing his job. You are looking to 8 RINOs that do not represent you to represent you. That isn't their job.

But at least you don't have Stacy Abrams....yet.

(The Abrams thing is, like the woman, a joke.....I thought it was funny anyway, being this side of the river )

 

[Reynolds]

That's the thing. Everybody there thinks they are doing what is right, but in the end they are serving themselves.

Look at Gaetz. He is funded by corporations giving $5,000,000.00 from specific economic sectors. Andy Biggs has PAC donors. They are all the same (not just the 8 RINOs).

So let's not pretend those men serve out of the goodness of their heart. Heck, Gaetz is better off than most of those voters he is supposed to represent and he won't give up his salary.

Now let's consider what a representative is supposed to do. It isn't just the Republicans. But if the Republicans his popularity has dropped (not enough to cost him) since ousting the speaker.


Again, I actually agree with what Gaetz stands for, but he is not doing his job. You are looking to 8 RINOs that do not represent you to represent you. That isn't their job.

But at least you don't have Stacy Abrams....yet.

(The Abrams thing is, like the woman, a joke.....I thought it was funny anyway, being this side of the river )

If Stacy gets elected, I will move to Calhoun Falls.
I don't really care what motivates a politician. I only care how they legislate. I don't care if they vote for what I want because it makes them a billion dollars. I only care how they vote.

 

[JonC]

If Stacy gets elected, I will move to Calhoun Falls.
I don't really care what motivates a politician. I only care how they legislate. I don't care if they vote for what I want because it makes them a billion dollars. I only care how they vote.

Lol.....yes.....Abrams is the curse of GA. Hey....if you do move across the river you'd have one of those 8 from your state (you'd have to move towards the beach for her to be your gal, though).

 

[Reynolds]

Lol.....yes.....Abrams is the curse of GA. Hey....if you do move across the river you'd have one of those 8 from your state (you'd have to move towards the beach for her to be your gal, though).

I like to go to the beach on occasion, but no way I would live there. If things go as planned, I am retiring in a few months. Going to have to start me a new business to make my "Coke and crackers money".

 

[Jerome]

Illinois Baptists' Newsjournal trumpeting that the new Speaker is Southern Baptist and was an ERLC trustee:

"The new Speaker of House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, has a long history with Southern Baptists. The U.S. Representative from Louisiana is a member of Cypress Baptist Church in metro Shreveport. He served as a trustee for the SBC’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission for eight years....[He] is the second consecutive Southern Baptist to helm the House. Kevin McCarthy of Bakersfield, California was also a member of a Southern Baptist church".