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Amazing that you do not even see or more likely ignore the reality of the basis of your theology.

 

@Martin Marprelate does.

Is God Intrinsically Just? | Baptist Christian Forums (baptistboard.com)

 

I believe in God’s foreknowledge; foreknowing is not choosing some to be saved and the rest to be lost.

 

(1 Peter 2:8-10)
And, “He is the stone that makes people stumble, the rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they do not obey God’s word, and so they meet the fate that was planned for them. But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light. “Once you had no identity as a people; now you are God’s people. Once you received no mercy; now you have received God’s mercy.”

 

So @Van which are you? Is God the author of sin or are you an open theist?

You seem to be confusing foreknowledge with fore causation and forgetting that God is omniscient.

 

You're being silly.

 

Your assertion is silly. You're making an absolute, universal statement that you cannot backup with scripture.

From Desiring God:

"The [Westminster Confession] says that God “neither is nor can be the author or approver of sin” (5:4). Despite this denial in a major Reformed confession, Arminians regularly charge that Reformed theology makes God the author of sin. They assume that if God brings about evil in any sense, he must therefore approve it and deserve the blame. In their view, nothing less than libertarian freedom will serve to absolve God from the charge of authoring sin.

God Does Not Author Sin
But as we saw [in chapter 8] libertarian freedom is incoherent and unbiblical. And as we saw [in chapter 4] God does bring about sinful human actions. To deny this, or to charge God with wickedness on account of it, is not open to a Bible-believing Christian. Somehow, we must confess both that God has a role in bringing evil about, and that in doing so he is holy and blameless. . . . God does bring sins about, but always for his own good purposes. So in bringing sin to pass he does not himself commit sin. If that argument is sound, then a Reformed doctrine of the sovereignty of God does not imply that God is the author of sin."

Does God ‘Author’ Sin?

 

@Van I asked you a serious question how does that 1] dishonor truth or 2] imply falsehood? Not everything is an attack on you, most times a question is just a question.

How does one not believing that God predestined sin make one an open theist? I am not an open theist and I agree God did not predestine sin so your conclusion is not sound.

Van you have made a logical error. Saying that God can choose not to remember our forgiven sins does not mean that He has forgotten them but rather that He will not hold those sins against us. To say that God, as you seem to imply, can not remember something calls into question His omniscience. Do you really think that God just forgets things, do you think He just at some point can not remember what our sins were?

I am trying to understand your position but you have failed.

 

@taisto why do you not quote the WCF? This is why people say that Calvinism makes God the author of sin.
Chapter III - Of God’s Eternal Decree.

i. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: {notice not just some things but all things}
"unchangeably ordain whatsoever" Those words do not leave you any wiggle room.

Now after they realized just what they had said they then had to add an escape clause: yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin,

Since by their own words they realized that the first part made God the author of sin why did they just not take the first clause out? Perhaps because they were more concerned about protecting their Calvinistic divine determinism than they were about the character of God.

Calvinists have put themselves in this conundrum and they just expect everyone else to just ignore the fail logic of their position.

 

Why do you not want me to quote Desiring God? It explains the terminology and defeats your name excuses?

 

Well do you not think that quoting the source of the quote from Desiring God would be better. Or perhaps you do not like the WCF quote as it shows how bad the Calvinist theology and logic is.

How many times have I been told well this is what the WCF or the LBCF says so this has to be trusted. Or this great Calvinist said this is what the bible actually means so why do you not accept it. Strange that you want me to trust what some man says the WCF says but then you ask why I quote the WCF? To show the error that is presented in the DG article.

By the way what are these "name excuses" you refer to?

 

Read the article I provided.

 

What do you think that would prove? An article written from the Calvinist perspective. You seem to think that Calvinistic view of scripture is biblical, I do not.

The Calvinist teaching that unbelievers are incapable of simply believing in the gospel message about Jesus flies in the face of scripture “...the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,...” Rom 1:16

According to Calvinism, God does not want everyone to be saved rather only a select few but once again this does not agree with scripture “who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth” 1Ti 2:4

If Calvinism is true I can't think of a better excuse for an atheist than the one that Calvinism ultimately gives him.
They can honestly say, if Calvinism is true I was born a God hater without the ability to believe in my own God unless He unilaterally picked me before I was even born for reasons that He never reveals and gives me this miracle of faith causing me to believe.So the question becomes, why condemn the atheist as he is doing just what God decreed that he should do.

So we have to conclude that if Calvinism is true, then God has predestined most of His children to resist His truth so as to glorify Himself.