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It's in his released file. I don't have the link anymore but you can Google it. Not sure which issue it was.

 

No. He requested medical attention a couple of times. Each time he changed his mind. From the dates I read (can't recall the exact dates) I think it was either preexisting issues (he has issues related to hormones or steroids) or the incident soon after he was arrested when he said he was beat up (and then that they dropped him carrying him in). It was fairly early in his arrest.

I don't think he requested a vaccine.

 

I don't know why you think it is hard to understand.

I stated with George Floyd that once in control of law enforcement there is an inherit responsibility.

My position has not changed.

This is true with any prisoner as well.

If a prisoner asks for medical attention he or she should get medical attention.

Did you think I objected to requiring law enforcement to provide medical attention???



But this was over a year ago.

According to medical records, Samsel suffers from a a lot of medical problems, including blood clots and gynecomastia.

He was evaluated by a prison doctor who stated he did not need treatment, that it was not urgent.


Still....if he complains get him treatment.

 

From the same prison physician.

Dr. Andrew Edinger is the clinical director of the penitentiary.

He said when he initially examined Samsel the prisoner had stayed that his symptoms had occurred since his arrest (after Jan 6).

Because of the sudden onset the physician determined he needed immediate medical attention that could not be sufficiently provided at the location.

However, after the examination and conclusion Edinger received and read Samsel's medical records.

He testified that Samsel had lied to him and that this had been an ongoing medical issue that did not need urgent care. His initial concern was the unexplained symptoms and that they had appeared so quickly and after Samsel's arrest.

This proved false. Samsel had been diagnosed years prior and his condition was not a medical emergency. Samsel's condition was well documented in his medical records and did not need urgent treatment.



This is what I mean by fake news, false propaganda.

The information you read only addressed the prison from the doctors initial conclusions. It ignored the rest.

The information excluded the same doctors conclusion after reading Samsel's medical records and realizing Samsel had lied to him to be removed from the prison.

BUT this information was readily available as it was in the physician's testimony when considering whether to move Samsel.



Why did you not include that information (that the prison doctor stated his initial conclusion was based on Samsel lying to him and prior to having an opportunity to review Samsel's medical records)?

 

@canadyjd ,

This issue I am having:

The "news" source:

The sources for the issues being discussed have repeatedly provided incomplete or false information to arrive at a conclusion that supports an agenda.

Here only a part of the prison doctors findings were revealed. That the doctor reviewed Samsel's medical records, discovered Samsel had lied to be transferred from prison, and that his condition was not urgent but instead an ongoing issue was completely ignored.

The sources also provided a false narrative to a video of an officer waving, stating he was waving the mob to the U.S. Capitol. It ignored another video of the same thing from a different angle showing the officer was motioning to a few other officers who responded to him.

The sources stated that Babbitt remained outside the Senate Lobby and was not trying to enter when a video from another protestor showed that she was not only attempting to enter but had already partially entered though the window when she was shot.

Those are three instances where sources provided false information.

I am not saying that this means everything they say is false, just as everything CNN reports is not false.

But why should I trust a source that has an agenda and that has lied several times in support of that agenda?

Samsel

Samsel tells us he was abused and denied medical treatment after the doctor found he needed urgent care that could not be provided at the location.

Samsel is a bad person. He has 9 previous convictions involving assault. He beat his pregnant girlfriend and threw her in a canal.

Samsel lied to the prison physician, telling him that his symptoms just appeared after his arrest. Samsel's medical records prove not only that the condition is not urgent, not only that it was a long existing condition, but also that Samsel knew of his condition long before his arrest.

Why should I believe Samsel?


Misinformation and Christians

Political agendas and false propaganda has made Christians not only believe but also repeat lies (as with the Samsel medical condition issue).

I do not believe most who do so (most Christians) do so intentionally. But they are fooled into believing propaganda.

That said, I believe we are also responsible for what we repeat and the responsibility falls on us individually.


How, in your opinion, should I think of Christians who repeat false propaganda (whether from the political left or political right)?

 

The court records.

Samsel's lawyers made an emergency motion for medical treatment in an attempt to have him transferred out of the prison and the doctor was required to testify on his findings and reason his recommendation changed.

It is attached to United States v. SAMSEL (1:21-cr-00537).

A history of blood clots is not a medical emergency. The issue is he presented his symptoms as occuring since his arrest and that he had a history of blood clots, which was a concern.

The truth, however, is that the symptoms had nothing to do with blood clots and was not a recent development. They were an ongoing condition due to past steroid use but posed no significant concern.

He was lying to get transferred out of prison.

The doctor stated that he changed his conclusion when he read Samsel's medical records and realized Samsel was lying about his condition. Samsel had the issue for years and was using it, saying it just appeared and he had a history of blood clots, to be transferred out of the prison.


The bottom line is that the physician did not deem his condition urgent. The article misrepresented the findings to support an agenda.


I ask again, what should I think of Christians who repeat propaganda, even if they believe it to be true? How is their character affected when what they repeat is proven false or misleading?


That is my concern here. Why would one believe sources that have repeatedly lied to them (whether CNN or The Gateway Pundit)?

 

Not at all. In fact, I would question exactly why you would infer that based on my insisting that we go to sources rather than accept what we are told.

I don't care anything about Samsel. If he really had an urgent medical condition then I care that the prison system provide urgent care.

My argument is that you seem personally invested in Samsel's case, to the point that you have been deceived by misinformation.

I am against that deception because I care about you as a brother in Christ and I link the deception of sources like The Gateway Pundit and CNN to satanic influences. Although I believe you to be an honest man such issues can destroy your credibility and call into question your discernment when it really matters.


They could set Samsel free tomorrow.... Or sentence him to 50 years in prison. I don't care either way.

(I guess they can't release him because he was on parole when arrested and had a warrant for assault....but in terms of Jan 6, I couldn't care less if they charge him or release him).

I do care that he get treatment when necessary, but also that the system does not transfer prisoners when unnecessary.


My concern is the deception of the church by political forces - regardless of whether from the political right or left. I have seen so much false information based on political agendas being spread by Christians that I am concerned that this is a major issue. To make matters worse, we have now gotten to the point that many Christians do not even care as long as the propaganda is in the interest of their political agendas being advanced.

 

That is the officer. But take the report with a grain of salt (the source also reported that Babbitt was not entering through the window, which was obviously false).

This is the problem when "news" organizations make repeated false reports (Epoch Times also reported that the officer was directing the crowd to the Capitol).

But yes, Lt Byrd was the officer.

 

In today's world of misinformation, I doubt anything will come out that'll change people's minds.

It was 3 years ago. One side lies and wants us to believe the riot was an FBI conspiracy to frame Trump supporters. The other side lies and calls it an "insurrection".

I doubt most people care as it was a riot just like the riots in Seattle over Floyd. A bunch of thugs with self-righteous complexes beating police officers and damaging buildings.

The real story is that the Floyd thugs got a get out of jail free card while the Jan 6 thugs are hunted down by the FBI even for misdemeanor offences. The real story is the politicalization of the justice system.


I don't think a radio transmission AFTER Babbitt was shot provides much information even if it exists. The officer was cleared because of what occurred before she was shot (and the fact she was stepping through that window).


But....some folk are still consumed by COVID vaccination conspiracies. Gone are the days of current events.