Featured Concerning Romans 9:16

Election for salvation, not election for pork and beans

I said the opposite of the lost granting themselves election. Why pretend otherwise?

 

The ONLY reason that God would be LONGSUFFERING with these "Vessels of wrath", is as we read in 2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is LONGSUFFERING toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance". The YOU here being the false teachers in 2:1, and the mockers in 3:3!

You simply cannot get around BIBLE TRUTH, that God does not wish ANY wicked person to perish, but that ALL should be saved!

 

RUBBISH!

Paul does NOT say that here, nor this is found ANYWHERE in the Bible!

You are MANIPULATING the Inspired Word of God!

 

another ABUSE of what the Bible says

Show WHERE in the entire chapter 9, is "election to salvation" mentioned?

IF this teaching where in any way true, than God will not send people to hell because of their UNBELIEF, and not ACCEPTING Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour!

You guys make it up as you go along, with ZERO Bible support

 

Not always. But, thank you. It was every bit as on point as it gets, wasn't it?

You're welcome. Free Bible College, for you.

Oh, but I did. As much as I thought you could bare.

Right here:

 

Negative.

Nothing concerning 2:1 or 3:3.

Vs 8 says "But, beloved",

then we have Vs 9 that says within it that he talking to "us-ward",
"but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish,
but that all should come to repentance."

Try this on for size: "but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any (of us-ward) should perish,
but that all should come to repentance."

That's what he is saying and who he is talking to and about.

In Vs 11, he still talking to the saved,
"what manner of persons ought ye to be
in all holy conversation and godliness,"

Continuing talking to them: Vs 13 "Nevertheless we, according to his promise,
look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

14 "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things,
be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace,
without spot, and blameless."

Then? Another reference to God's long-suffering toward these saved folks,
warning them in Vs 17, to not fall into sin, but to be sure and repent
so as to not perish Vs 9.

15 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 "But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen."

I don't know where you got "you" in that verse, but I got "us-ward".

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

There is, therefore, no scripture that teaches the
"BIBLE TRUTH, that God does not wish ANY wicked person to perish,
but that ALL should be saved",
Once This One is Read Correctly.

 

College is not for everyone.

 

You believe in having "Bible support"?

Cool

Interesting.

Go for it.

 

YOU is in the best textual evidence

 

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That is of course EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYS THERE IN 9:17,18, 21-24!!

17 "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."

21 "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 "And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 "Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"

 

Of course, you realize the "textual evidence" you may approve,
was spared from the KJV translators, by the Merciful Providence of God,
if it wasn't already around and rejected by them as spurious.

I'd just like to see you gain some understanding of some text.

 

WHERE is election to salvation?

 

Don't worship KJV!