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This post just proves that FB is not a reliable source of truth.

 

I looked up Sovereign Grace in Jacksonville NC… I liked this statement & practice.


At SGFC, we practice something called “Family-Integrated” worship. That means we encourage families to bring their children into the worship service instead of sending them away to a separate children’s program. We are used to hearing the sounds of children in the sanctuary and we love it. It reminds us that the church is not just for adults, but it is for everyone. We do provide a nursery for children up to 3 years old if needed, but it is not required. We love to see kids worshiping alongside their parents in the sanctuary.

We PB’s also practice this!

 

All this shows is that this "pastor" does not believe the bible but has followed the wild rants of Augustine and Calvin. The real shame of it is that he will and has caused a number of people to actually trust what he said.

 

This diatribe ignores the gospel involved in this and is therefore dishonest as it intentionally misrepresents the views of those with whom he disagrees with. An honest and intellectual discussion cannot be had with those who want to engage in such dishonesty.

Secondly, a dead man who cannot respond to the gospel unless they are first made alive can neither reject the gospel. Dead is dead if taken literally.

If, however, they are dead like the prodigal son then once they hear the gospel they can believe prior to being regenerated.

It is also a false and dishonest claim that if God requires one to respond to the gospel then the power of salvation is then in their hands. When someone goes and buys a gift for someone else and the offers that gift to them, can it be said that the receiver of the gifts can lay claim for also giving himself that gift because he made the effort to reach out and receive the gift offered? This is not logical and it is never done except among the reformed who, very weakly, make an attempt to demonize those with whom they disagree with.

Have the need to act in such a dishonest way reveals the limitations and weakness of their own arguments. Demonization is never a good theological practice and and should have no place in Christian conversations.

 

Now please explain to me how you had to over react to that particular cut & paste. Wouldn’t it have been better to calmly and privately have approached Ken with an explanation why he posted it in the first place which I myself would like to have explained to me, but that’s up to Ken to share it.

I see here a wider gap in Christianity that is intent on vanquishing full Christianity via these conflicts and diatribes. All you need to do is travel to the northeast and I will show you full bore secularism in active practice. Yea, it’s easier to move somewhere else where it isn’t prevalent but Satan is a clever demon that will soon spread his discord everywhere he can. I trust you have the foresight to understand this.

 

What number of people do you see actually believing this guy? Don’t you think that if he is off his rails that his church elders have allowed it to happen? And what was the purpose and what type of person would whole heartily concur with his conclusions. I expect that most would process it, perhaps look into it further, evaluate it using scripture (full context) and draw their own conclusions.

I will tell you that I love their “Family Integrated Worship” practice which will take into consideration each family members interpretation, absorb them, then and only then come to final conclusion. My wife personally consistently surprised me with her conclusions, things I would never have thought of. She doesn’t March to anyone drum but Christs. So it’s vital that I ask her opinion on everything, and she consistently surprises me with her conclusions.

 

What programs for kids do you have at your church? Also, do you really believe you are spreading the good news or are you inciting discord? To me, Gods children already know Scriptural truth but you insist on reinforcing particular doctrines that you believe w/o consideration for others beliefs thus causing hard feelings. It’s your contention that they are wrong and you are right… can you not see the discord you and your buddy’s are sowing?

 

Well he is off the rails and the elders do seem to be supporting what he is saying. If as you say he has a family integrated service then he is having an influence upon impressionable minds and teaching them false information under the guise of it being biblical truth. What could be worse than that?

 

Think of the message your church is sending to there children! Would it not be considerate to the kids to include them in all things Kingdom Building? That may be the most important things we adults pass on to them.

 

You forget that children are mostly influenced by their parents and it’s really the responsibility of them to filter out and at the same time teach the word to their kids. I’m a grandparent and I long to menter my grandchildren however they are a 1000 miles away in snake land Florida USA.

 

Look Ken, this isn’t my fight… frankly it’s yours & I would not draw swords against another brother but by posting that you did. So when another person of another Christian church disagrees with you, then of course they are wrong and your right. That’s funny, that could also be considered arrogant … personally I don’t consider that truly Christian behavior.

 

I am reacting to the very and totally false presentation of God in this post that I have underlined.

If God were acting in his sovereignty and he is absolutely holy and demanded holiness in all his creatures he would no doubt be constrained by that holiness to sovereignly make sure they were. The only sovereignty that God has displayed is in his creation. He has never acted towards man in the principle of sovereignty. If he had there would never have been any need for any other principle that he has displayed about himself.

Men like you KenH believe yourself to be at the height of religion and among the few that are worthy to be called the property of God but you present a god who is a schizoid.

How could God acting in his sovereignty show kindness and grace and mercy and longsuffering and how could God react in any way but destruction to any who would dare to disobey him and how would they disobey him. It is the most unreasonable and illogical and false doctrine that any religious sect has ever seriously advanced on the unwashed, in my opinion.

This is Jesus Christ speaking:

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

He just described what the Father is like and his audience is admonished to be like him.

I do not get anyone buying into this false religious idea of sovereignty and determinism. God is sovereign only when he chooses to be and that is his sovereignty being manifest.

 

He did just that:

22 yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish and unreproveable before him: Col 1

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Heb 10