Featured Is the Doctrine of the Trinity wrong? (Eternal Generation/ eternally begotten)

If Yahweh is not eternal (if the divine relationship between the Persons of the Trinity changed with the Incarnation) then this should be easy to prove, @37818 .

I have provided Biblical proof that Yahweh remained the same as in the NT in terms of the Persons of the Trinity with several OT examples.

Just show us where the Incarnation changed the divine relationship between Persons of the Trinity (Yahweh)....that Yahweh is not, in fact, eternal but changes....and I will concede my agreement and agree your position is not a heresy.

 

Uh......no kidding.

This is the problem. You keep repeating Eternal Generation.

Stop creating a smoke screen and answer the question.

Eternal Generation is the doctrine that God DID NOT change into man. That IS the point. YHWH is immutable. Although the Word became flesh this caused NO change in the Word being Eternally Yahweh!!!!! That IS Eternal Generation.


You insist that the Divine relationship between the Persons of the Trinity CHANGED with the Incarnation (a rejection of Eternal Generation).

Prove it. Show us how Yahweh is not eternal in that the Incarnation was a change to the One Triune God.

 

No. Again you misunderstand.

The point is that being both (fully man-fully God) DID NOT change YHWH. YHWH is Eternal.

You claim Eternal Generation is false - that the Incarnation altered the relationship between the Persons of the Trinity, that the Incarnation CHANGED YHWH.

Prove it.

Stop lying about the doctrine and prove it wrong. Stop arguing against a strawman and fighting windmills.

 

I hate to tell you this, but you are arguing that YHWH is not eternal in thar the Incarnation somehow changed the One Triune God.

This is the heresy that Eternal Generation guards against, and you deny that doctrine (you specifically stated, repeatedly, that you deny the doctrine).

I am asking you to answer for the heresy.

HOW did the Divene nature of the One God (the relationship of the Persons of the Trinity) change with the Incarnation???

Eternal Generation simply states that the Incarnation did not change the One Triune God because Yahweh is eternal.

You deny this.

 

We need to stick to the issue.

Eternal Generation is the sentence in the Doctrine of the Trinity that states that the Incarnation did not change the divine relationship between the Persons of the Trinity. YHWH is eternal.

@37818 rejects that doctrine.

No need to beat around the bush, create smoke, etc.

Just show where the Incarnation created an ontological change in YHWH - that the divine relationship of the Persons within the Godhead changed.

 

Your claim is that Yahweh (not by the Word becoming flesh but by the Word changed within the Godhead when the Word became flesh).

I am asking you to prove it.

 

Again.....you are blowing smoke.

We all believe that.

Eternal Generation is the doctrine that the Incarnation did not change the nature of the One Triune God (YHWH).

You say that the Incarnation CHANGED the relationship of the Persons of the Trinity.

I am asking you to prove it.

 

No.

I am asking you to prove that the Incarnation changed the relationship between the Persons of rhe Trinity.

Alternatively you could try to prove that the Word does not "come forth" from Yahweh while being eternally Yahweh.


Eternal Generation is NOT the idea that the Word begins with God, or is generated from God. "Generation" here means "comes forth" (as the Word comes forth from God - while eternally being God).


But here you answered my question.

You reject that the Word "comes forth" ("generated") as one Person of the Trinity from the Ine Triune God.


Indeed....you don't believe Eternal Generation.

 

Those verses actually support Eternal Generation.

You answered my question witg the last post.

You reject that the Word "comes forth" ("generated") as one Person of the Trinity from the Ine Triune God.

Indeed....you don't believe Eternal Generation.


But I am asking you to prove this.

Prove that the Word does not "come forth" from God (from the Trinity), while being eternally YHWH.