Featured God Knows The Future

More of the non-stop false doctrine spewed forth on this board.

God declares the end from the beginning. So whatever He says will happen in the future He knows will happen because He will make it happen.

God is "all-knowing" meaning He knows whatever He has chosen to know about the future. To claim God cannot remember no more forever is heresy.

Everyone conceived is condemned already because of unbelief, but anyone can be saved by the blood of the Lamb, if God credits their faith as righteousness.

Only God alone gives New Birth in Christ where we are made alive together with Christ, and arise in Christ a new creation, created for good works. Nothing God does is "useless!"

But the post is correct on one point, once saved (made live, regenerated, born anew in Christ) the person's faith is protected by the power of God, and Christ has promised to not cast them out!

 

How do you frame God's New Covenant promise given in Jeremiah 31:34, cited in Hebrews 8:12 and ? Hebrews 10:17?

 

God can choose not to know whatever He chooses not to know, just as He can know whatever He chooses to know. He is all-powerful.

As to what is dis-remembered, I think it is the consequence God would otherwise apply to the individual for the sins of the individual in view, those forgiven and the consequences not even remembered.

 

God being omniscient knows all that will happen. If He knows that someone will at a later date reject the salvation that he had God would know that. God would also know that while the person did believe whether the person would influence others to trust in Him. If a person has the free will to trust they also have the free will to later reject. We do not loose our free will when we trust in God.

 

Complete fiction with absolute no biblical support.

Jesus is said to know all (John 21:17) but the phrase refers not to everything imaginable but to Christ's knowing all about those He engages, such as Peter and the other Disciples. Jesus did not know the time of His return so "all" does not mean everything imaginable.

God knows the future He has declared, but not what He has chosen not to know such as dis-remembered sins.

Psa 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is innumerable.​

Here we see God's understanding is beyond measure, more than we can comprehend.

1 John 3:20
that if our heart condemns us, that God is greater than our heart, and He knows all things.​

Here we see God knows all the things about those living with a heart that condemns.

Over and over again, the bible teaches we, members of humanity, cannot hide anything from God, for He knows all about us. To stretch this to everything imaginable is unwarranted nonsense, when scripture time and time again indicates God doing things to learn things, such as testing Abraham.

 

So your version of God is only semi-omniscient. That is not the God of the bible.

 

Please do not claim the biblical version is only my version. I note you did not address the biblical basis for the biblical view, but suggested you accept the wholesale expansion of from the unstudied.

 

@Van you are the one that is presenting an unbiblical view of Gods' omniscience. He either knows all that will happen or He does not. You have chosen to say He does not. You are reading into scripture what you want to find which is what you accuse those of the reformed/calvinist view of doing.

You are starting to sound more and more like a calvinist in your posts. You are even denying free will since you call the ability to recant ones faith a fiction.

 

Still you do not address the biblical evidence for inherent omniscience. Nor to you offer support from scripture for your obviously false assertion.

Did I say He will remember no more forever or did the Bible say that?
Did Jesus say He did not know the time of His return?
Did God say, "now I know" demonstrating that He had just learned?

Stop ignoring and nullifying scripture with your bogus unstudied false doctrine.

 

Van you are like a child that has learned how to read but does not understand that you need to understand things in context. Like many calvinists you pull verses out of context to support your view. Actually I have found that your posts are getting less bible based and more Van based in the last few months.

 

LOL, you are long on false claims about me and you have not provided one scintilla of evidence for your outdated bogus view.

Still you do not address the biblical evidence for inherent omniscience. Nor to you offer support from scripture for your obviously false assertion.

Did I say He will remember no more forever or did the Bible say that?
Did Jesus say He did not know the time of His return?
Did God say, "now I know" demonstrating that He had just learned?

Stop ignoring and nullifying scripture with your bogus unstudied false doctrine.

When the same point is made numerous times in scripture, the context is clear.​

 

Why would I argue against a false premise. The verses you present do not support your view Van. Think through what you are presenting. But I doubt that you will do that.

Here is a clue as to why your view is flawed, do a word study on believe.

 

Alright, let’s get straight to the heart of the matter.

“Eternal Security is one of those doctrines that stands firm regardless of personal belief.”

So are you saying that faith has nothing to do with salvation. The bible would disagree with you on that point.

“Whether or not you believe in Eternal Security, if you are truly saved you are eternally secure in Christ Jesus.”

Now that is a true statement.

The condition of salvation is faith, {but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. Joh_20:31}, those that believe are secure but those that do not believe are lost.

Your view of eternal salvation makes a mockery of salvation. I agree that nothing outside of us can separate us from the love of God but you are reading into that text that also means one cannot later reject Him.

We have the free will to either trust in or reject God prior to our salvation, do we loose that free will once we have trusted in Him? By your logic we do, but reality shows that we do not. Do a search on the net for those that have turned away from their faith.

Now the calvinist will say they were never really saved in the first place is that the position you are going to hold?

What you are saying is that those that have turned away from Christ to another religion or that are actively attacking the faith they once held will be taken by God to be with Him. God will force those that now reject Him as LORD to be with Him for eternity. Does that sound like a loving God to you?

The bible is clear, “..whoever believes G4100 (G5723) in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” That is a continuing faith.

You have made the error of equating faith with works which is a calvinist view.

Bottom line, those that continue to believe are eternally secure if they subsequently reject that trust/faith in God they are lost.

 

John 10:29, . . . My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. . . .

 

Mat 13:5 Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and they sprang up quickly, since they had no depth of soil.
Mat 13:6 But when the sun rose, they were scorched; and since they had no root, they withered away.
Mat 13:20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
Mat 13:21 yet such a person has no root, but endures only for a while, and when trouble or persecution arises on account of the word, that person immediately falls away.

Mat 13:7 Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them.
Mat 13:22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the lure of wealth choke the word, and it yields nothing.

They hear and believe but then fall away for various reasons. OSAS is a false teaching. Eternal security for those that continue to believe is truth but note the condition, continue to believe

 

How can anyone even know if one is saved? You see if one thinks they have salvation, and it being possible to lose. None would be able to know with any certainty one will not lose salvation before one dies.