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Should every Christian be a young Earth creationist?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jun 11, 2024.

  1. JD731

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    Creation took place in 6 days and the 7th day was the sabbath rest day.

    Ge 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
    Ge 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    I wish I could quote the whole of John 5 but it is too much. The problem with this board is sound tracks. Short and sweet. People posting almost no scripture but their own take on scripture without context, believing some of it is literal and not believing other parts. Sometimes people, especially Calvinists, will have more than one hermeneutical principle in the same verse. So I am going to post a short segment dealing with what God is doing in the six days and why you should understand and believe that God has his own application for thousand years days with a thousand year sabbath on the 7th day just like he said and no one on this board believes.

    17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
    18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
    19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
    20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

    He will resurrect all he has saved at harvest time and give eternal life to all those who are living. What will his rest be like? Well, I quoted Isa 11 where the whole prophecy is about nothing else but the rest day of God and nobody on this board believes it. The OT prophets quoted much about that day. It is a thousand year day when the work of redemption is finished and Jesus Christ rules the earth in righteousness from Jerusalem just like he says he will.

    If God turns the light on and you prefer darkness then do not expect he will give you any more light. Jesus said men loved darkness more than light. It is a dark time when Baptists love darkness.

    22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
    23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
    24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
    25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
    26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
    27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
    28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
    29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
    30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
    31 Because he hath appointed a day, (this is a thousand year day, the seventh day )in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
    32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
    33 So Paul departed from among them.

    As far as I know he did not go back to Athens. They loved darkness.
     
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    It’s hard for someone who is not a 6 Day to explain evening and morning and 1st/2nd/3rd etc.

    also, if night is 1,000 yrs or whatever some suggest. The question is how could plants live for 1,000 yrs w no sunlight.

    the geologic column exists nowhere in the world. In fact, in some places, it is upside down which seemingly proves Noah’s flood.

    Also, if it’s “eons of yrs”, one does great harm to the Sabbath day and it’s significance in Biblical History and time keeping

    there should be 10s of thousands intermediate life forms- we have none

    why did evolution stop?

    Evolution disregards all scientific data we have -even now

    the Bible explains the water cycle which was unknown to science until the 1700s

    the Bible attests to the Assyrians which at one time was scorned by liberals who said they never existed, but were proven wrong 100 yrs ago.

    The Bible attests to the Earth being suspended in space as a sphere. Anyone else hear of the “flat Earth Theory”. Yes, it’s imaginary.

    The Bible attests to Christs resurrection, so do non Christian sources in the NT

    the list goes on and on with statements about a lot of things even science and when it speaks, it is authoritative. Without error
     
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    And, you cannot have death before sin as stated in Romans and sin was not introduced until the fall in the Garden of Eden
     
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    So you do not like that fact that not everyone is jumping on your bandwagon. Deal with it.

    Should every Christian be a young Earth creationist?

    That's the question, you just do not like some of the answers.
     
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    This interpretation doesn't work. The fall didn't occur until after the sixth day. With plant life and ocean life of the days before and there had to be cell deaths. Not to mention Adam and Eve had to have skin.
     
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    It is not the answers but the great lack of any Bible evidence to disprove that the earth is YOUNG :Biggrin
     
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    Exactly what are you rambling on about :Geek
     
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    Genesis 1:1, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    This is before earth's first declared day, Genesis 1:3-5.
     
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    So you are saying that God began to Create before the first day?

    This is IMPOSSIBLE
     
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    So your view of God, God did nothing for an eternity past.
     
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    Psalms 90:2, Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
     
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    Romans 5:12-19 disagrees w you. Paul specifically writes that death came into the world by sin
     
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    The Bible is about what God did for us humans!
     
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    that is where God declares Himself to be the eternal one esp before Creation
     
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    God either made infinite creations with no first creation. Or one unique creation. I am persuaded it was this one.
     
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    And you have no proof that it is. You can say there is no gap but it is just speculation.

    What I know for sure is that God created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:1

    We also know that it was formless and void. Gen 1:2

    Then we know that God said let there be light. Gen 1:3

    And now we see the the phrase "there was evening, and there was morning" Gen 1:5

    You are reading your desired theological view into the text.
     
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    The Bible speaks of no gap from Gen 1:1 to 1:2
     
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    If you can prove from the Hebrew grammar there is a gap between Genesis 1.1 and 1.2, then let's see it here

    I say that this is IMPOSSIBLE
     
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    I know snarky comments are fun and makes our chests swell out, but it really doesn't help anyone. Not to worry though because I have done it myself plenty of times.

    My first line in my last post was a direct answer to the direct question you asked. The rest was commentary. The commentary was an effort to highlight something I learned over the many years I have studied the scriptures. That is, that God has ways that are not our ways and he takes the same instance of a physical event or person or thing and attaches a spiritual meaning in addition to what we learn in the physical. This is true of the 7 day week. The actual time frame is a 24 hour period divided into night and day. He even made two great lights, one to rule over the night and one to rule over the day. Now these are real and physical things hanging in the second heaven but in God's eyes they have spiritual meanings. They are called types and similitudes. These cannot be revealed to the natural man, we are told.

    Ho 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
     
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    Isn't it interesting that God in the beginning created all things by speaking.

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    When? In the beginning!

    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
    5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    Isn't it interesting that the light came into the world at the end of God's 4th day. Coincidence?
     
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