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you are not correct in "matching genders" in the Greek. It does not always work that way

In John 6:37, Jesus is speaking about those the Father has given Him

"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out"

In the Greek Jesus says, "Πᾶν ὃ", which is in the neuter gender, even though He is referring to persons and not things!

Similarly, in 1 John 1:1, John is speaking about Jesus Christ

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life

here also we have the use of the neuter "Ὃ", four times for the Person Jesus Christ!

For those who reject the words as in the KJV of 1 John 5:7, we have the three neuter nouns, "τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα" in verse 8, described in verse 7 as "ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες", which is in the masculine!

 

So you do not trust what two Greek scholars, Robertson & Mounce, tell you because they do not agree with you view. You did say you are a hack, correct. So if you admit you do not know Greek than why do you not trust those that do?

A. T. Robertson
For by grace (tēi gar chariti). Explanatory reason. “By the grace” already mentioned in Eph_2:5 and so with the article.
Through faith (dia pisteōs). This phrase he adds in repeating what he said in Eph_2:5 to make it plainer. “Grace” is God’s part, “faith” ours.
And that (kai touto). Neuter, not feminine tautē, and so refers not to pistis (feminine) or to charis (feminine also), but to the act of being saved by grace conditioned on faith on our part. Paul shows that salvation does not have its source (ex humōn, out of you) in men, but from God. Besides, it is God’s gift (dōron) and not the result of our work.

Bill Mounce
The answer is to know a little Greek! When Greek wants to refer back to a general thought, perhaps a phrase, the pronoun can be in the neuter. This is "not of yourselves" does not refer specifically to [πίστεως faith G4102] but rather to the entire salvific process, of which faith obviously is a part.


["For by grace you have been saved "] {how} through faith. Salvation is a gift that we receive from God because of our faith.

But you continue to avoid the obvious, man has to believe. Or do you think God believes for them?

I find it amazing how hard the calvinist/reformed will squirm to avoid the obvious intent of scripture.

 

You failed to provide the biblical option.

God gives all mankind the ability to repent and trust in Him so as to be saved.

We are told the gospel message is the power of God to salvation for all who believe.

Plus we are told that those that hear the gospel and believe will be saved.

Notice it is those that believe not those that were chosen to believe.

 

neither are correct according to the Bible!

God has given to all humans the ability to either accept, or reject the Gospel, as I have clearly shown from the passage in John 5. We all have FREE WILL, which is God-given, so not our of ourselves.

If, as you suggest, that God only desires that the elect is saved, then how can He Justly Command that every single human being were to repent and believe, so that they can be saved? How can the Gospel Message be preached to the entire human race, when it is impossible for those who have not been enabled by God to believe, to believe? Why would God say to seek Him, so that we might find Him, for the purpose of salvation? Why does God say to choose whether sinners are to follow Him, or the "gods" of this world, if they really cannot?

The Parable of the Wedding Feast as told by Jesus Himself, is very clear that the Gospel is to be given to the entire human race, and it is up to them to either accept or reject the Invitation of salvation.

Salvation starts with the Lord, as it is He Who has made it possible for us sinners to come to Him. But God cannot and will not force His salvation on any person, which is also very clear from many passages in the Bible.

 

You need to reread what I wrote and what Robertson wrote.
You are misrepresenting what I said.
I am, therefore, through with this unprofitable conversation. You are not listening, you are only waiting to speak.

 

I most certainly believe that from a to z salvation is of the Lord!

we are not discussing this here. the OP title is about God's gift of faith only for the elect, I have shown that this is not what the Bible teaches.

 

You need to reread what I wrote and what Robertson and Mounce wrote. You are not listening, you are only waiting to speak.

And that (kai touto). Neuter, not feminine tautē, and so refers not to pistis (feminine) or to charis (feminine also), but to the act of being saved by grace conditioned on faith on our part. Paul shows that salvation does not have its source (ex humōn, out of you) in men, but from God. Besides, it is God’s gift (dōron) and not the result of our work.

What about the Robertson comment did I get wrong?

When Greek wants to refer back to a general thought, perhaps a phrase, the pronoun can be in the neuter. This is "not of yourselves" does not refer specifically to [πίστεως faith G4102] but rather to the entire salvific process, of which faith obviously is a part.

What about the Mounce comment did I get wrong?

["For by grace you have been saved "] {how} through faith. Salvation is a gift that we receive from God because of our faith.

Do you not agree with this, if not why not?

 

So God believes for the sinner and God has faith for the sinner!

Complete nonsense

 

EXACTLY. as the Old Baptists put it.

 

Do you believe that God gives saving faith and the ability to believe only to the elect

 

You need to qualify your answer KY. It was as the Old Calvinist Baptists put it. Not all baptists have fallen for the foolishness that Augustine and Calvin foisted on the bible.

 

You're a chip off the old block. Pelagious hated(?) Augustine also.

 

You really do not have much to contribute do you.

Do your self a good service and actually look at some history. Your particular view of theology is built on pagan philosophy.

Plus why would I want to follow the teaching of a Roman Catholic bishop {Augustine} or an RC {Calvin} when I have the Holy Spirit inspired word of God.

 

Then what I said in #52 is correct