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First, let me say that the perceived insult is nonexistent: you are likely to be insulted in discussions that deal with a view that is indefensible.

This is why you continue to ignore direct questions: because you cannot provide a reasonable answer. I am sorry your view leaves you in this position, but if you would simply answer questions posed to you that are meant, not to insult, but to show the problems your view has, then we would have a discussion.

And, past, present, and future—everything is linked to Prophecy. For example ...

Revelation 1

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Not necessarily a prophetic statement, but linked to Prophecy of both Old and New Testaments.

And this is a false argument: quote me saying every word in Revelation is Prophecy.

Hmm, seems I have heard that somewhere before.

A discussion will reveal the inconsistencies, and you have provided several in this post. I'll be glad to look at what you find inconsistent in my own interpretations.

On the contrary. If you look at the events (not themes), you will see yo cannot make the seal judgments equate to the Trumpet, or the Trumpet to the Bowls. And there is most definitely a chronological order. Despite the fact that Christ's spiritual ministry of Eternal Redemption through the Cross was a mystery, as was the period of time between His First Coming and His Second, we still see a chronological order in Old Testament Prophecy.

God's Word is consistent, and a chronological order helps one to understand the events that are said by the Lord to happen at a future date.

Be glad to look at examples. It's a little difficult to know how you perceive this random nature of Scripture without them.

I agree: most who had a basic grasp of Prophecy in those days would have known of the general resurrection of the dead. What they would not have known was the Lord would remove believers from the world prior to the Tribulation (which they also knew about).

Why? Because Scripture is consistent. All prophecy will be fulfilled to the jot and tittle, regardless of whether people understand it, or specific revelation and understanding of that revelation is given by God (a necessity of all spiritual truth).

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Not sure why you would see this as relevant.

Again, I see no relevance to the discussion at hand.

Okay.

Are you suggesting that the Seal Judgments are not opened chronologically?

You might want to explain their titles: First Seal, Second Seal, etc.

Not everyone.

I tend to find those things Scripture places in an order and specifies that order as first, second, etc. as chronological.

Now, show me the prophecy of the Old Testament that meets the standard of your system. That's all you have to do.

There is no allegory in the Prophecy of Revelation. Revelation itself is not an allegory. It is a detailed revelation of that which is to come. Most generally view Revelation Chapter Four as the beginning of revelation of future events. While we find parenthetical statements, there is no break in the chronology, and within the Prophecy we can determine that a seven year period is in view. The seven years is consistent with Old Testament Prophecy, particularly that found in Daniel. Daniel gives specific time-frames from the Abomination of Desolation that specify a three and a half year period. Within Revelation there are obvious pointers to two periods, each three and a half years long. This correlates to the Seventieth Week Daniel speaks of.

All of it consistent and chronological.

I agree: it isn't really a dragon, but Satan is real. He really isn't a Lion, but Jesus Christ is real.

Great, now all we need are examples.

They aren't there.

What we do find is a consistent judgment day that involves a physical Return of Christ, and the Kingdom prophesied throughout the Old Testament.

No insult intended, and none given. But you are going to be insulted because of one reason: no one likes to be told their view is in error.

You have my word, I can't make it any clearer. However, a discussion involves responses from both sides, and you have consistently ignored my questions, instead offering up your own views. I encourage you to take this discussion seriously. It is my opinion that those who err in eschatological errors compound that error in other doctrinal matters.

Your choice.

And to you.


God bless.

 

That was quick.

If you change your mind, please address the issue of how the Seal Judgments are not Chronological. Not trying to offend, but I would suggest to you that reliance in commentaries is a common issue for those that have embraced a system. I would recommend just sitting down and reading through Revelation. The more you read it, the easier it becomes to understand. I guarantee you that if you read it through five times, you are going to start having problems with some of the statements you have made in this discussion.

Peace be with you, as well,


God bless.