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I have (and I have no issue at all with the passage).

My point here was not about going down timelines but explaining why we cannot know the exact dates.


There are three calendar periods - the Biblical, Talmudic, and Post-Talmudic.

The Biblical Calender is based on visual observation. It is the accurate in regard to lunar cycles.

The Talmudic is a little more accurate to lunar cycles.

The Post-Talmudic actually calculates lunar cycles (no visual observation needed).


My point is that the Biblical accounts relayed what occurred. The Jews used the Biblical calendar. We can't know what was observed. So we can't know an exact date.

That's all I was saying.


When it comes to Mark's account you are making assumptions as well. We can't know that your assumptions are accurate.

It is fine to hold opinions. It is not fine to preach those opinions as if they were facts.


What was the exact date? I don't care, it does not matter, and we cannot know.

 

Truth does matter.

And the truth is the 1st century Jews did not use the post-Talmudic calendar. They used the Biblical calendar....regardless of your opinion.

I am not sure why you dismiss history. I actually enjoy reading Jewish and your dismissal of historical facts is why I've been replying. That and your dismissal of Scripture (as the Jews interpreted it). They were a bit legalistic, but they were at least trying to adhere to God's command insofar as observing the "lights in the heavens".


The more interesting thing is the days of the week. Since we can't know the exact date we may be able to at least guess at the days.

 

Here is one scenario (there are probably others that would fit as well):

Two days before Passover and the Festival the Jews concluded to kill Jesus before the festival (Mk 13:1).

Thursday afternoon (around 2 to 3 pm) the Passover was sacrificed at the Temple (if 15 Nisan fell on a Sabbath the Pasdover was sacrificed earlier per Jewish custom).

Jesus was outside the city Thursday afternoon (evening, literally "between the evenings") and sent disciples ahead.

Jesus arrived when the sun had set ("I'm when evening had come) that Thursday and ate the Passover. He was arrested and the next morning.

Friday afternoon Jesus was crucified and He was buried in a nearby tomb because it was approaching the Sabbath.

Jesus arose on Sunday before it was light.




Another scenario is that the Passover lamb being killed when Jesus was outside the city was the meal travelers partook. I'm not sure this is valid as they were close to the city.

 

You are denying that the 1st century Jews used the Biblical calendar. But there is no evidence to support your theory.

There is evidence to support that they used the Biblical Hebrew Calendar. For example, Gamaliel II's controversy, the Samaritan fires, Judah I's concerns about having missed the moon due to lack of visibility, and Hillel's inclusion of calculations to prevent future error.


BUT you miss the point.

The calculated calender is right insofar as telling is about the moon.

The problem is they didn't use it until long after the 1st century AD.


Prove the Disciples recorded what should have happened per accurate calculation rather than what did happen per the system used in tge 1st century.

 

You misunderstood.

Mine is not an argument.

I am saying that I believe the 1st century Jews used the Biblical Hebrew calendar, which was based on visually observing the "signs".

It does not make it so, but it does state what was so. That is actually a matter of historical fact.

We know this because we know that the Jews had missed what would have been 1 Nisan several times. Any literate person can read history and know it.

 

Not my argument. I offered two explanations that Biblically deal with the timeline.

You have the problem of excluding how things were actually done historically in favor of how you believe they should have been done.


I'm not saying that the Temple priests were right. But you have to remember that this was the same group that said it was OK to worship Zeus in the Temple if you were worshipping God in your heart.

 

So......to get your time right.....

You are saying that the Jews sacrificed the Pasdover on 14 Nisan between 12pm and sunset (Deuteronomy 16:6) and actually observed Passover on 15 Nisan.

That's fine. Like I said, there are many views that fit the narrative in Mark.

We can know He was buried on Friday before sunset and arose on Sunday before sunrise. That's enough. No need to rely on speculation.