Featured 1 Corinthians 12:3

Oops, Silverhair, I was indeed attempting to address another poster, not you. My bad...

 

Yet another off topic effort at mind reading by the posters that says "by the Spirit" does not mean according to the Spirit's desires. I kid you not...

 

for as ye also once did not believe in God, and now did find kindness by the unbelief of these: so also these now did not believe, that in your kindness they also may find kindness; for God did shut up together the whole to unbelief, that to the whole He might do kindness. Rom 11:30-32

33 O depth of riches, and wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable His judgments, and untraceable His ways!

Why do you think/believe one must have free will?

What has God been doing since Gen 1:3 and why is he doing what he is doing? Is everything a means unto an end? Eph 1:10 comes to mind; in regard to the dispensation of the fulness of the times, to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- in him;

 

How does the following from Wescott and Hort fit the meaning? I ask for I am not sure.

if lest in unto a-currenting-to unto-hallow-belonged

I believe Paul is stating one can not understandingly / truthfully state in belief, Jesus is Lord, unless one has been given the Holy Spirit.

 

I am assuming this phrase, "if lest in unto a-currenting-to unto-hallow-belonged" is a quotation of some part of some verse. Please provide the reference, in the YLT with the corresponding wording bolded.

Your acceptance of "Total Spiritual Inability" requires the view that no lost person can believe from their heart that Jesus is Lord, but others hold that the lost have "Soul Liberty" or Soul Competence and can choose to believe Jesus is Lord or not. It is a distinctive belief of General Baptists. Whereas your view represents Reformed Baptists.

My belief, of course, is that the lost can choose to trust in Christ as Lord and Savior. That is why believers act as ambassadors of Christ begging the lost to "be reconciled to God."

 

The above in bold is WH translation of KVJ, but by the Holy Ghost.

Thanks for the reply.

My thought is: God, in Christ, reconciled. Not for me to tell someone, to, in Christ, reconcile themself to God. Course I don't think that is what you mean I just do not know how to word it.

 

Simple answer, if we do not have a free will then everything that happens has been determined by God. Which means everything 1] including all the evil that we see 2] man can not be held responsible for rejecting or accepting God. You can not say God lets them do as they wish as that would require a free will. So no free will means absolute determinism.

But we see clearly in scripture that man is held responsible for the choices they make and that God expects them to make these choices. So if God expects man to make choices then logically He has given man the free will with which to make them or perhaps you think God is just being disingenuous and were just actors on a stage after all.

 

The invitation is to all. And the promise is that Christ never will turn away anyone who comes. As Owen said, there is simply nothing a man can do to more highly please God than to come to Christ, giving all honor to him for his salvation. And he said there is no higher insult or sin than to refuse this invitation.

Now I admit that not all Calvinists accept this. One thing I have learned on this site is that a lot of the Calvinists on here hate Owen and the rest of the Puritans. I like them and I think I have benefited from reading them. Come to think of it, most of the fundamentalists hate them too. So I guess I'll leave you all to go at it.

 

I agree with what Owen said and it pains me that so many will reject the gift that is offered.

I do not understand why someone would hate Owen or the Puritans as many things they say are biblical.

Where they drift from scripture I do not agree with them as then they are letting Calvinism color their view of scripture.

My stance is that the bible is the standard not what some man has written no matter who that man is or what theological view he holds.

 

1) I disagree with claiming "but by the Holy Ghost" means compelled by the Holy Ghost. It means to speak in accordance with the desire of the Holy Spirit (Ghost).

2) When we beg the lost to be reconciled to God, to claim we are saying "reconcile yourselves to God" is nonsense. God is reconciling fallen humanity, one sinner at a time, to Himself. How anyone could so misread scripture (2 Corinthians 5:19) to claim it says, We are reconciling God to ourselves is beyond me.

3) Your acceptance of "Total Spiritual Inability" requires the view that no lost person can believe from their heart that Jesus is Lord, but others hold that the lost have "Soul Liberty" or Soul Competence and can choose to believe Jesus is Lord or not.

My belief, of course, is that the lost can choose to trust in Christ as Lord and Savior. That is why believers act as ambassadors of Christ begging the lost to "be reconciled to God." 2 Corinthians 5:20

 

Help me to understand differently if my understand be incorrect.

V 19 YLT how that God was in Christ -- a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,

To my understanding that verse states God, in Christ, has reconciled the world unto himself, God.

V 20 as ambassadors state, be ye reconciled to God. You are reconciled to God. You be, being reconciled. A command.

 

Glad you agree @canadyjd we should just dismiss yours'.

 

. . . εν πνευματι θεου . . .

. . . εν πνευματι αγιω . . .

 

Your understanding is totally wrong. God is reconciling the world to Himself. Thus some of the world has been reconciled, and some have not. If everyone has been reconciled, no one would be told to beg the lost to be reconciled. Everyone to be reconciled has not "received" the reconciliation.

 

One poster, thinks the translations are inspired, thus to translate differently for the one, or ones (who knows) is to rewrite God's word. One false doctrine piled on another. And so it goes.

The idea to walk by the Spirit indicates we are compelled to follow Christ is nonsense.

 

One poster, thinks the translations are inspired, thus to translate differently for the one, or ones (who knows) is to rewrite God's word. One false doctrine piled on another. And so it goes.

 

Does anyone actually believe the Calvinist interpretation of scripture arose "thousands" of years ago?
Or that the General Baptist distinctives are an invention of Van?

Bible study takes work, whereas posting "taint so" takes no study or knowledge.