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Thoughts on God's covenant with Abraham

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Martin Marprelate, Nov 14, 2024 at 11:16 AM.

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    I posted this on another thread, but it seemed to get lost among the other posts, so here it is again:

    With whom was the Abrahamic Covenant made? Only with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. These last two received the Abrahamic promises not through their relationship to Abraham, but directly from God (Genesis 26:2-5; 28:12-15). The covenant is made with no one else. If I believe that God is going to make a great nation out of me, or make me a blessing to all nations, or give my descendants the Land of Canaan as a possession, I am more than likely to be deceiving myself. Nor could an Israelite appropriate the promises to himself; any of Abraham’s descendants other than Isaac and Jacob might be childless. But when we place our faith in the promised Seed, we may appropriate the promised blessing as we become a child of Abraham by faith (Gal 3:7) and inherit the heavenly country that Abraham sought and found (Hebrews 11:15-16). The covenant ‘with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’ is repeatedly mentioned in Scripture (Exodus 2:24; 32:13; Lev 26:42; Numbers 32:11; 2 Kings 13:23; 1Chron 16:16ff; Psalms 105:9 etc.) but no one else is ever spoken of as being in the covenant with them.

    The covenant promises to Abraham were of land, nation and seed. Each of these has both an earthly and a heavenly fulfilment. There is an earthly land of Canaan which the Israelites eventually came to inherit, but we are told in Romans 4:13 that the promise was for the whole world (cf. Matt 5:5; Rev 5:10), and in Hebrews 11:16 that Abraham looked forward to a heavenly city. These are fundamentally the same promise and refer to the new heavens and new earth and also to the heavenly Jerusalem of Rev 21;1-3 which Abraham will inherit along with all believers at the end of time. Likewise, there was an earthly nation descended from Abraham who came to live in Canaan, but we learn from Galatians 3:7 that believers of all nations are his true descendants and it is they who will inherit the heavenly promises.

    There are two seeds of Abraham with two different promises. Firstly, there is a physical seed to whom are given physical promises- a great nation and a physical land for it to dwell in. These promises were received by Israel in full (Joshua 21:43-45). This seed ‘after the flesh’ (Gal 4:29) is represented by Ishmael. It is most important to understand that Ishmael is not in the Covenant. ‘And Abraham said to God, “Oh, that Ishmael might live before you!” Then God said, “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son and you shall call his name Isaac. I will establish My covenant with him”’ (Gen 17:18-19). Nothing could be clearer than this; Ishmael is not in the covenant, although he receives the covenant sign (v26). Ishmael, though not an Israelite, is a type of Israel after the flesh. He receives the earthly promises (Genesis 17:20) and the outward sign, but not the spiritual blessings (Gal 4:30; Acts 7:51-53). He persecutes the True Seed (Gen 21:9; John 8:37ff; Gal 4:29). His circumcision is of no avail to him since he lacks what circumcision symbolized; a humble, circumcised heart (Jeremiah 9:25-26).

    There is also a spiritual seed of Abraham; those who are in Christ, the True Seed, by faith. These are they who are looking for a heavenly country just as Abraham was. Just as Abraham did not receive an earthly inheritance (Acts 7:5 etc), so the true Israelite knew that Canaan was not his true home (Psalms 119:19. cf. 1 Peter 2:11). He put no confidence in his circumcision, but rather his circumcision spoke to him of the promised Seed of Abraham who should come (cf. Luke 2:25-32; Phil 3:3).

    What then did circumcision signify to Abraham’s physical male progeny and to his male servants? Well, firstly it had nothing to do with faith. It was a requirement for service in Abraham’s household. If you wanted to work for Mr Abraham, you had the snip. Indeed, nowhere in the entire Bible will you find physical circumcision connected with anybody’s faith but Abraham’s. In itself it signified precisely nothing. From the descendants of Abraham, the Messiah would be born, but it did not follow that any particular descendant should be an ancestor of Christ. Circumcision was a sign, not to Abraham’s physical seed, but to those ‘Israelites indeed’ (John 1:47) who were looking forward to Christ by faith, that the promises of God should eventually be fulfilled.

    Next we can look at the ‘promises:’ ‘Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ……..and if you are Christ’s then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise’ (Gal 3:16, 29). The spiritual promises of the Abrahamic Covenant never applied to those who were physical descendants of Abraham, but to those of all nations (including Israel, of course) who are in Christ by faith. Very solemn are the words of our Lord on this matter: “And I say to you that many will come from east and west and will sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, but the sons of the kingdom will be cast into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:11-12).

    So we see that the Abrahamic Covenant is tied up with the coming of the promised son- the miracle child (Gen 15:2-6). Isaac is not Christ, but he is a type or foreshadowing of Christ: long promised, born miraculously, persecuted by his own kin (Ishmael), offered up by his father, who received him (figuratively- Heb 11:19) back from the dead. The children of God come from him (Rom 9:7; Heb 3:5b). It is worth reading Isaiah 54 prayerfully in the light of these points.
     
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    Genesis 12:3, . . . And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
     
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    Genesis 17:13, . . . He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

    To identify the Israel of God.

    Galatians 6:15-16, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
     
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    Probably the greatest difficulty in the Abrahamic Covenant is the plethora of information that there is in both Old and New Testaments. it is a job to cover everything and still keep the post to readable length.
     
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    Yes, but that does not mean that the Abrahamic Covenant was made with all the families of the earth.
    Just read the following Scriptures, and they will tell you with whom the Covenant was made:
    (Exodus 2:24; Exodus 32:13; Leviticus 26:42; Numbers 32:11; 2 Kings 13:23; 1 Chronicles 16:16ff; Psalms 105:9. I don't think this is by any means an exhaustive list, but it is enough to tell you with whom the Abrahamic Covenant was made..
     
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    That is exactly what it did not do. Nothing is clearer than that the large majority of the Israelites were devoid of grace.
    Jeremiah 9:25-26. '"Behold, the days are coming, " says the LORD, "that I will punish all who are circumcised with the uncircumcised - Egypt, Judah, Edom, the people of Ammon, Moab and all who are in the farthest corners, who dwell in the wilderness. For all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in heart."' Read also Matthew 8:11-12 quoted in the O.P.
    Exactly so. Thank you for making my point. It is not circumcision but a new birth that distinguishes the Israel of God.
     
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    If you simply try to blindly lump all those references together, that is likely, that may not work.

    I would have to read them separately to start with.
     
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    I think you should certainly do that.
     
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    You seem not understand.
     
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    Your reply in Post #7 tells you have too many difficulties, for me, to address.

    God made more than one covenant with Abraham.

    Exodus 12:40 has what should be a known related textual issue too. Galatians 3:17.
     
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    @Martin Marprelate,
    My apologies. As of now, this is more involved than I am going to make time for.
     
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    @Martin Marprelate,

    If light in the scripture is a metaphor for understanding and knowledge, then likewise is darkness a metaphor for ignorance and blindness.

    17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
    18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

    It is my view that you will be unteachable because of your presuppositions and lack of paying close attention to the words of scripture. You make the claim, for instance, that the land promised to Abraham in the covenant with him were finalized in the book of Joshua. You said;

    There are two seeds of Abraham with two different promises. Firstly, there is a physical seed to whom are given physical promises- a great nation and a physical land for it to dwell in. These promises were received by Israel in full (Joshua 21:43-45).

    This claim to be the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant concerning the land is deceitful and false doctrine because of this;

    Ge 13:14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
    15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
    16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
    17 Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.

    Any casual reader of the OT will understand that eventually the covenant people were divided into two nations and both were estranged from the land in time because of disobedience and sin. This fact alone tells us that Israel in the land under Joshua in the OT was not the fulfillment of the promise and the oath of God, if indeed the word forever actually means forever.

    Enter the Palestinian or Land covenant that God made with Israel and swore to with an oath as they stood as his people on the east bank of the Jordan River and prepared to enter the promised land. This covenant will condition them with what is required to continue to occupy the land with the blessings of God.

    De 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

    10 Ye stand this day all of you before the LORD your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
    11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that [is] in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
    12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this day:
    13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.

    One should read the blessing and the curse of this covenant in chapters 28 - 30. It will help you understand why God has, and still is, dealing with Israel as he does.
     
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