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Thoughts on God's covenant with Abraham

Martin Marprelate

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I posted this on another thread, but it seemed to get lost among the other posts, so here it is again:

With whom was the Abrahamic Covenant made? Only with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. These last two received the Abrahamic promises not through their relationship to Abraham, but directly from God (Genesis 26:2-5; 28:12-15). The covenant is made with no one else. If I believe that God is going to make a great nation out of me, or make me a blessing to all nations, or give my descendants the Land of Canaan as a possession, I am more than likely to be deceiving myself. Nor could an Israelite appropriate the promises to himself; any of Abraham’s descendants other than Isaac and Jacob might be childless. But when we place our faith in the promised Seed, we may appropriate the promised blessing as we become a child of Abraham by faith (Gal 3:7) and inherit the heavenly country that Abraham sought and found (Hebrews 11:15-16). The covenant ‘with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’ is repeatedly mentioned in Scripture (Exodus 2:24; 32:13; Lev 26:42; Numbers 32:11; 2 Kings 13:23; 1Chron 16:16ff; Psalms 105:9 etc.) but no one else is ever spoken of as being in the covenant with them.

The covenant promises to Abraham were of land, nation and seed. Each of these has both an earthly and a heavenly fulfilment. There is an earthly land of Canaan which the Israelites eventually came to inherit, but we are told in Romans 4:13 that the promise was for the whole world (cf. Matt 5:5; Rev 5:10), and in Hebrews 11:16 that Abraham looked forward to a heavenly city. These are fundamentally the same promise and refer to the new heavens and new earth and also to the heavenly Jerusalem of Rev 21;1-3 which Abraham will inherit along with all believers at the end of time. Likewise, there was an earthly nation descended from Abraham who came to live in Canaan, but we learn from Galatians 3:7 that believers of all nations are his true descendants and it is they who will inherit the heavenly promises.

There are two seeds of Abraham with two different promises. Firstly, there is a physical seed to whom are given physical promises- a great nation and a physical land for it to dwell in. These promises were received by Israel in full (Joshua 21:43-45). This seed ‘after the flesh’ (Gal 4:29) is represented by Ishmael. It is most important to understand that Ishmael is not in the Covenant. ‘And Abraham said to God, “Oh, that Ishmael might live before you!” Then God said, “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son and you shall call his name Isaac. I will establish My covenant with him”’ (Gen 17:18-19). Nothing could be clearer than this; Ishmael is not in the covenant, although he receives the covenant sign (v26). Ishmael, though not an Israelite, is a type of Israel after the flesh. He receives the earthly promises (Genesis 17:20) and the outward sign, but not the spiritual blessings (Gal 4:30; Acts 7:51-53). He persecutes the True Seed (Gen 21:9; John 8:37ff; Gal 4:29). His circumcision is of no avail to him since he lacks what circumcision symbolized; a humble, circumcised heart (Jeremiah 9:25-26).

There is also a spiritual seed of Abraham; those who are in Christ, the True Seed, by faith. These are they who are looking for a heavenly country just as Abraham was. Just as Abraham did not receive an earthly inheritance (Acts 7:5 etc), so the true Israelite knew that Canaan was not his true home (Psalms 119:19. cf. 1 Peter 2:11). He put no confidence in his circumcision, but rather his circumcision spoke to him of the promised Seed of Abraham who should come (cf. Luke 2:25-32; Phil 3:3).

What then did circumcision signify to Abraham’s physical male progeny and to his male servants? Well, firstly it had nothing to do with faith. It was a requirement for service in Abraham’s household. If you wanted to work for Mr Abraham, you had the snip. Indeed, nowhere in the entire Bible will you find physical circumcision connected with anybody’s faith but Abraham’s. In itself it signified precisely nothing. From the descendants of Abraham, the Messiah would be born, but it did not follow that any particular descendant should be an ancestor of Christ. Circumcision was a sign, not to Abraham’s physical seed, but to those ‘Israelites indeed’ (John 1:47) who were looking forward to Christ by faith, that the promises of God should eventually be fulfilled.

Next we can look at the ‘promises:’ ‘Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ……..and if you are Christ’s then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise’ (Gal 3:16, 29). The spiritual promises of the Abrahamic Covenant never applied to those who were physical descendants of Abraham, but to those of all nations (including Israel, of course) who are in Christ by faith. Very solemn are the words of our Lord on this matter: “And I say to you that many will come from east and west and will sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, but the sons of the kingdom will be cast into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:11-12).

So we see that the Abrahamic Covenant is tied up with the coming of the promised son- the miracle child (Gen 15:2-6). Isaac is not Christ, but he is a type or foreshadowing of Christ: long promised, born miraculously, persecuted by his own kin (Ishmael), offered up by his father, who received him (figuratively- Heb 11:19) back from the dead. The children of God come from him (Rom 9:7; Heb 3:5b). It is worth reading Isaiah 54 prayerfully in the light of these points.
 

37818

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What then did circumcision signify to Abraham’s physical male progeny and to his male servants?

Genesis 17:13, . . . He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

To identify the Israel of God.

Galatians 6:15-16, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
 

Martin Marprelate

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Martin Marprelate said:
With whom was the Abrahamic Covenant made?
37818 said:
Genesis 12:3, . . . And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Yes, but that does not mean that the Abrahamic Covenant was made with all the families of the earth.
Just read the following Scriptures, and they will tell you with whom the Covenant was made:
(Exodus 2:24; Exodus 32:13; Leviticus 26:42; Numbers 32:11; 2 Kings 13:23; 1 Chronicles 16:16ff; Psalms 105:9. I don't think this is by any means an exhaustive list, but it is enough to tell you with whom the Abrahamic Covenant was made..
 

Martin Marprelate

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Martin Marprelate said:

What then did circumcision signify to Abraham’s physical male progeny and to his male servants?
37818 said:
To identify the Israel of God.
That is exactly what it did not do. Nothing is clearer than that the large majority of the Israelites were devoid of grace.
Jeremiah 9:25-26. '"Behold, the days are coming, " says the LORD, "that I will punish all who are circumcised with the uncircumcised - Egypt, Judah, Edom, the people of Ammon, Moab and all who are in the farthest corners, who dwell in the wilderness. For all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in heart."' Read also Matthew 8:11-12 quoted in the O.P.
Galatians 6:15-16, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God[
Exactly so. Thank you for making my point. It is not circumcision but a new birth that distinguishes the Israel of God.
 

37818

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Yes, but that does not mean that the Abrahamic Covenant was made with all the families of the earth.
Just read the following Scriptures, and they will tell you with whom the Covenant was made:
(Exodus 2:24; Exodus 32:13; Leviticus 26:42; Numbers 32:11; 2 Kings 13:23; 1 Chronicles 16:16ff; Psalms 105:9. I don't think this is by any means an exhaustive list, but it is enough to tell you with whom the Abrahamic Covenant was made..
If you simply try to blindly lump all those references together, that is likely, that may not work.

I would have to read them separately to start with.
 

37818

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I think you should certainly do that.
Your reply in Post #7 tells you have too many difficulties, for me, to address.

God made more than one covenant with Abraham.

Exodus 12:40 has what should be a known related textual issue too. Galatians 3:17.
 
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JD731

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@Martin Marprelate,

If light in the scripture is a metaphor for understanding and knowledge, then likewise is darkness a metaphor for ignorance and blindness.

17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

It is my view that you will be unteachable because of your presuppositions and lack of paying close attention to the words of scripture. You make the claim, for instance, that the land promised to Abraham in the covenant with him were finalized in the book of Joshua. You said;

There are two seeds of Abraham with two different promises. Firstly, there is a physical seed to whom are given physical promises- a great nation and a physical land for it to dwell in. These promises were received by Israel in full (Joshua 21:43-45).

This claim to be the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant concerning the land is deceitful and false doctrine because of this;

Ge 13:14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
17 Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.

Any casual reader of the OT will understand that eventually the covenant people were divided into two nations and both were estranged from the land in time because of disobedience and sin. This fact alone tells us that Israel in the land under Joshua in the OT was not the fulfillment of the promise and the oath of God, if indeed the word forever actually means forever.

Enter the Palestinian or Land covenant that God made with Israel and swore to with an oath as they stood as his people on the east bank of the Jordan River and prepared to enter the promised land. This covenant will condition them with what is required to continue to occupy the land with the blessings of God.

De 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

10 Ye stand this day all of you before the LORD your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that [is] in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.

One should read the blessing and the curse of this covenant in chapters 28 - 30. It will help you understand why God has, and still is, dealing with Israel as he does.
 

Martin Marprelate

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@Martin Marprelate,

If light in the scripture is a metaphor for understanding and knowledge, then likewise is darkness a metaphor for ignorance and blindness.

17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

It is my view that you will be unteachable because of your presuppositions and lack of paying close attention to the words of scripture.
It may be that one of us is unteachable, but I think you will find that it's you.
I want to go through your post in some depth, but don't have time at the moment. What I will do is to try and explain my hermeneutic to you. Then, whether you agree or not, you will at least understand where I'm coming from.

My hermeneutic is based on the well-known mnemonic that speaks of the two Testaments and goes:
The New is in the Old concealed;
The Old is in the New revealed.

This is not just a catchy rhyme written by some bloke years ago, but actually very Biblical.

First of all, the Lord Jesus instructs us to seek Him everywhere in the O.T.
John 5:39. "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these [Scriptures] are they which testify of Me.'
Luke 24:27. 'And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.'

Next, we learn that the O.T. Scriptures were actually written first and foremost for us, Christian believers.
Romans 15:4. 'For whatever things were written before [i.e. in the O.T.] were written for our learning, that we, through the patience [or 'perseverance'] and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.'
1 Corinthians 10:6. -11 'Now these things became our examples [Gk. tupoi, 'types'], to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted ......... Now all these things happened to them as examples [or 'types'], and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.'
1 Peter 1:10-12. 'Of this salvation the prophets have enquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that should come to you, searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating When He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that should follow.
To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the Gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven - things which angels desire to look into.'

So what these verses are telling us is that simply to look at the O.T. without reference to the N.T. will not enable us to understand fully, 'The mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but has now been revealed to the saints. To them [the saints; i.e. us!] God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory' (Colossians 1:26-27).

I also recommend that you look carefully at Ephesians 2:11-22. The rest of your post I will try to engage with later as I have time, but that maybe after the weekend.
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Alan Dale Gross

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There is also a spiritual seed of Abraham; those who are in Christ, the True Seed, by faith. These are they who are looking for a heavenly country just as Abraham was.

The spiritual promises of the Abrahamic Covenant never applied to those who were physical descendants of Abraham, but to those of all nations (including Israel, of course) who are in Christ by faith.

But when we place our faith in the promised Seed, we may appropriate the promised blessing as we become a child of Abraham by faith (Gal 3:7) and inherit the heavenly country that Abraham sought and found (Hebrews 11:15-16).

If I believe that God is going to make a great nation out of me, or make me a blessing to all nations, or give my descendants the Land of Canaan as a possession, I am more than likely to be deceiving myself.

So what these verses are telling us is that simply to look at the O.T. without reference to the N.T. will not enable us to understand fully,

Some similar thoughts;
Biblical Spirituality #3; Promises to Abraham of Canaan Land
are for the New Heaven and New Earth.
 

Martin Marprelate

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Unexpectedly, I have a little time today, so here goes:
You make the claim, for instance, that the land promised to Abraham in the covenant with him were finalized in the book of Joshua. You said;

There are two seeds of Abraham with two different promises. Firstly, there is a physical seed to whom are given physical promises- a great nation and a physical land for it to dwell in. These promises were received by Israel in full (Joshua 21:43-45).

This claim to be the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant concerning the land is deceitful and false doctrine because of this;

Ge 13:14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
17 Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.
Your argument seems to be with God the Holy Spirit rather than me. Joshua 21:43-45. 'So the LORD gave to Israel all the land of which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they took possession of it and dwelt in it. The LORD gave them rest all around, according to all He had promised their fathers. And not a man of all their enemies stood against them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. Not a word failed of any good thing which the LORD had spoken to the house of Israel. All came to pass.' If this does not satisfy, have a look at Joshua 23:14.
Therefore to understand the verses from Genesis 13:14-17 it is necessary to look at the New Testament commentary. The promises to Abraham did not concern some rather small piece of land in the Levant; they were much greater than that. 'For the promise to Abraham that he should be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are under the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of no effect' (Romans 4:13-14).
Any casual reader of the OT will understand that eventually the covenant people were divided into two nations and both were estranged from the land in time because of disobedience and sin. This fact alone tells us that Israel in the land under Joshua in the OT was not the fulfillment of the promise and the oath of God, if indeed the word forever actually means forever.
Exactly! But the promise is not to those who are under the law, but to those who are of faith - to us who have trusted in the true Seed, the Lord Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:16-18).

Enter the Palestinian or Land covenant that God made with Israel and swore to with an oath as they stood as his people on the east bank of the Jordan River and prepared to enter the promised land. This covenant will condition them with what is required to continue to occupy the land with the blessings of God.
De 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

10 Ye stand this day all of you before the LORD your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that [is] in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
What you have carefully excluded from your quotation are those verses that make it clear that the covenant to Israel after the flesh was conditional. 'Therefore keep the words of this covenant and do them, that you may prosper in all that you do.......... that He may establish you today as a people for Himself, and that He may be God for you, just as He has spoken to you, and just as He spoke to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob' (Deuteronomy 29:9-13):.
We are talking here of the Sinaitic Covenant, made with Israel as a nation through Moses, and it was conditional.
It is interesting to compare the conditional nature of the Sinaitic Covenant with the unconditional covenants of promise:

Gen 9:11(Noahic). Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood.”

Gen 12:2 (Abrahamic). I will make you a great nation; I will bless you and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing……….And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

1Chron 17:11 (Davidic). “And it shall be, when your days are fulfilled, when you must go to be with your fathers, that I will set up your seed after you, who will be one of your sons; and I will establish his kingdom.”

Exod 19:5 (Sinaitic). “Now therefore if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people.”

The “I will” of the covenants of promise contrasts with the “if you will” of the Sinaitic. Note also the “He will” when the New Covenant is announced.

Matt 1:21. “…..And you shall call His name Jesus for He will save His people from their sins.”

Luke 1:32. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father, David.”

‘For all the promises of God In Him are Yes, and in Him, Amen, to the glory of God’ (2Cor 1:20). The covenants of promise are fulfilled in Christ.
Do please read Exodus 19:6-7 and compare with 1 Peter 2:9-10 to see the contrast between the promises through Moses and the promises in Christ.
One should read the blessing and the curse of this covenant in chapters 28 - 30. It will help you understand why God has, and still is, dealing with Israel as he does.
I have read them many times. Even in Deuteronomy 30:10, you will see that the promise of vs, 1-9 is conditional, not to mention vs. 11-20. That there may be, if God wills, a revival among the Jews toward the end of time, there is some support in Romans 11, but it will only be when they turn to Christ. I pray for that day as I also pray for the Palestinians to turn to Him. I see no end to this terrible mutual hatred until that happens.
 
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Alan Dale Gross

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You`ve got it going on with discerning these various covenants. Very cool.

We are talking here of the Sinaitic Covenant, made with Israel as a nation through Moses, and it was conditional.
It is interesting to compare the conditional nature of the Sinaitic Covenant with the unconditional covenants of promise:

Several of the different ones you mentioned are included under these headings, as Gill gives a good comprehensive job of running through them all, from what they are going to be all about, to all the way to The Gospel.
 

Martin Marprelate

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Thank you for your kind words, @Alan Dale Gross
Around 15 years ago I was on the Puritan Board, and several of the members there were trying to use Covenant Theology to argue for infant baptism. So I had to mug up on C.T. from a Baptist perspective. Some of the posts I made there I worked into articles and put them on my blog. If you are interested, you can read them here:
The Covenants Part 1. The Covenant of Works
The Covenants part II. The Covenant of Grace
The Covenants Part IV. The Abrahamic Covenant
Circumcision and Baptism
The Covenants, Part V. The Sinaitic (Mosaic) Covenant
The New Covenant
For some reason I never got around to tackling the covenant with Noah.

I did not consult John Gill when composing the posts, perhaps to my loss. The book I found very helpful was The Divine Covenants by A.W. Pink, which I strongly recommend.
 

JD731

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Unexpectedly, I have a little time today, so here goes:

Your argument seems to be with God the Holy Spirit rather than me. Joshua 21:43-45. 'So the LORD gave to Israel all the land of which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they took possession of it and dwelt in it. The LORD gave them rest all around, according to all He had promised their fathers. And not a man of all their enemies stood against them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. Not a word failed of any good thing which the LORD had spoken to the house of Israel. All came to pass.' If this does not satisfy, have a look at Joshua 23:14.
Therefore to understand the verses from Genesis 13:14-17 it is necessary to look at the New Testament commentary. The promises to Abraham did not concern some rather small piece of land in the Levant; they were much greater than that. 'For the promise to Abraham that he should be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are under the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of no effect' (Romans 4:13-14).
Exactly! But the promise is not to those who are under the law, but to those who are of faith - to us who have trusted in the true Seed, the Lord Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:16-18).

You are misapplying Rom 4:13-14. This is not an argument about a covenant or land or even if the Abrahamic covenant has been fulfilled. The logic Paul is presenting here is in the context of a godly principle. That principle is faith and the salient point here is that Abraham had his faith in the promise of the miraculous son previous to the giving of the law of Moses. Abraham is the father of the faith because he is simply the first one to believe in the son and that God was going to ultimately fulfill all his promises through him.

The Jewish nation did not receive her kingdom that was "at hand" simply because she did not exercise this principle of faith, according to Heb 11:6, it is the only way to please God. This had to be explained because it is AD 58 and the Jewish people have witnessed by this time thousands if not millions of gentiles who have believed in Christ, not as King, but as Lord and were saved.
Ro 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Ro 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Ro 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

No one will be in the kingdom in it's final realization without faith in what God says.

In Romans 4 Paul uses three examples of the primacy of the principle of faith.
1) Abraham before the Law of Moses was given
2) David. a person who lived under the law of Moses
3) Those of us after the law of Moses was ended as the operative principle of divine dealing with the Jews by the death of the substitutionary sacrifice, Jesus Christ.

I am going to quote his third one for you to see it plainly;

Ro 4:20 He (Abraham) staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 ¶ Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it (righteousness) was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it (righteousness) shall be imputed, if we believe on him (God the Father) that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

This business of modern Christians who think they can believe in Jesus Christ while rejecting the words and testimony of God the Father will not get people saved from their sins

By JD731
Enter the Palestinian or Land covenant that God made with Israel and swore to with an oath as they stood as his people on the east bank of the Jordan River and prepared to enter the promised land. This covenant will condition them with what is required to continue to occupy the land with the blessings of God.

What you have carefully excluded from your quotation are those verses that make it clear that the covenant to Israel after the flesh was conditional. 'Therefore keep the words of this covenant and do them, that you may prosper in all that you do.......... that He may establish you today as a people for Himself, and that He may be God for you, just as He has spoken to you, and just as He spoke to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob' (Deuteronomy 29:9-13):.
We are talking here of the Sinaitic Covenant, made with Israel as a nation through Moses, and it was conditional.
It is interesting to compare the conditional nature of the Sinaitic Covenant with the unconditional covenants of promise:

No, what is conditional in that covenant is their residence in the promised land. The covenant itself is a promise that no matter what their decision will be, and God hints that he knows it will be to disobey causing him to execute the curses of the law upon them, God at some point will gather them from the nations and will circumcise their hearts. This is salvation and being cut off from sin. This is not something they can do by merely turning over a new leaf or deciding to come back into the land. It is an unconditional promise of God. Read this with me;

De 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.

Mt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mt 24:4 ¶ And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Mt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Israel is an earth bound nation and people. The church of Jesus Christ is a heavenly people. They are separate entities in the same eternal kingdom of God and Jesus Christ is the savior of both.
 
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Alan Dale Gross

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Thank you for your kind words, @Alan Dale Gross
Around 15 years ago I was on the Puritan Board, and several of the members there were trying to use Covenant Theology to argue for infant baptism. So I had to mug up on C.T. from a Baptist perspective. Some of the posts I made there I worked into articles and put them on my blog. If you are interested, you can read them here:
The Covenants Part 1. The Covenant of Works
The Covenants part II. The Covenant of Grace
The Covenants Part IV. The Abrahamic Covenant
Circumcision and Baptism
The Covenants, Part V. The Sinaitic (Mosaic) Covenant
The New Covenant
For some reason I never got around to tackling the covenant with Noah.

I did not consult John Gill when composing the posts, perhaps to my loss. The book I found very helpful was The Divine Covenants by A.W. Pink, which I strongly recommend.

Very very nice and cool and groovy! Great work for The Lord!!! Praise God, brother!! Amen. Thank you, very much.
 
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