Folks, study the link. The false claim that tasso means tithemi is just yet another rewrite of scripture to pour false doctrine into vague verses.
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Appointed To Eternal Life?
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Yes, it is an assertion that changes the subject of this thread. Acts of the Apostles 13:48 indicates as many as were appointed by mutual agreement with Paul's direction to eternal life believed.
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Recall the use of vague verses by false teachers to pour man-made doctrine into the text? If you translate tasso using the same English word as you translate tithemi, you obliterate the inspired distinction between the two meanings. This opens the door to misunderstanding Acts 13:48 as God unilaterally causing some Gentiles to believe, the Calvinist interpretation. However, if the verse conveyed the idea as many as accepted Paul's direction to eternal life believed, no such Calvinist interpretation would be viable.
Brightfame52
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So you dont believe the Truth
Silverhair
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Already answered that. Your calvinism is not the truth so why would I believe it?
Brightfame52
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Because TULP Truths are part of the Gospel !
Silverhair
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BF you have just proven that you have fallen down the rabbit hole. Your claim that TULIP is part of the gospel shows just how far off reality your views are.
Thankfully most calvinists are not as radical as you.
Brightfame52
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Truth will not be proven to you until God opens your eyes of understanding.
Silverhair
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He already has and that is why I do not hold to your philosophical view.
Now this is a fact that you will not accept, although it is biblical, as it does not fit your theological view.
The simple reality is that everyone is 100% responsible for their own choices.
God is 100% responsible for providing salvation and man is 100% accountable for whether or not they receive it.
Calvary was not owed to anyone but was 100% God’s choice to provide forgiveness, simply out of the graciousness of His heart, and He regularly raises up servants to spread His message of reconciliation. Man’s choice to either receive or reject God’s gracious gift is also 100% their own choice, with the result being that man becomes 100% accountable for his own choice.
No matter how many people may help you to receive Christ, either by witnessing to you, or praying for you, or living a godly example to encourage you, ultimately you still have to make your own choice, and your choice remains 100% your choice.
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Brightfame52
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You have been rejecting truth, you know its not Gods will for everyone to believe the truth, for He sends some men a strong delusion to believe a lie 2 Thess 2:12
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
So how can such a one believe the truth ?
Brightfame52
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As many as were appointed to eternal life believed, they had been appointed first to eternal life, which is why they believed as the fruit of the appointment.
Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Blueletter bible says of ordained for this verse:
ὅσοι ἦσαν τεταγμένοι εἰς ζωήν αἰώνιον, as many as were appointed (A. V. ordained) (by God) to obtain eternal life, or to whom God had decreed eternal life, Acts 13:48 G5021 - tassō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Blueletter bible says of ordained for this verse:
ὅσοι ἦσαν τεταγμένοι εἰς ζωήν αἰώνιον, as many as were appointed (A. V. ordained) (by God) to obtain eternal life, or to whom God had decreed eternal life, Acts 13:48 G5021 - tassō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
Silverhair
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The fact that you continue to ignore context is what leads you to your errant views.
Keep in mind what God said through Paul in
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
The salvation Paul is speaking about, in context, is not salvation from hell, but salvation from the tribulation period. That's what the Thessalonians, who were already saved, were worried about.
The Man of Lawlessness
2Th 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2Th 2:2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
2Th 2:12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
God's desire is that all be saved and has provided the means for mankind to know and trust in Him. But He will not force anyone to trust in Him or force those that have trusted in Him to remain in that trust.
Those that choose to turn away from Him are those that will then be sent the strong delusion, that they will continue to believe the lie.
But Paul then gives them encouragement to stand firm in their faith. Those that continued to trust in Christ Jesus would not fall away and be condemned.
Stand Firm
2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
2Th 2:14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul conclusion
2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
Pulling verses out of their context leads to errors.
Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
I have not ignored anything, the truth is in the context, you just reject the truth. Thats what people do when God has not shown them truth.
I have not ignored anything, the truth is in the context, you just reject the truth. Thats what people do when God has not shown them truth.
Silverhair
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How can you say you have not ignored the context? The context does not support your view but you still cling to it.
You said in post 231 "you know its not Gods will for everyone to believe the truth". So I take it that you disagree with what He said here. 1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. KJV
We see this again when you posted {#232} Act 13:48 and ignored the context. BF you continue to post out of context verses and draw errant views because of that.
Your failure to consider the context and further to think through where your view leads shows the error of your view.
Brightfame52
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I have not ignored anything, the truth is in the context, you just reject the truth. Thats what people do when God has not shown them truth.
Silverhair
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You continue to ignore context BF. Because of that you come to errant views.
Your words "As many as were appointed to eternal life believed, they had been appointed first to eternal life, which is why they believed as the fruit of the appointment."
From this expression {And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed} some infer, that God’s ordination, or decree, is the sole or principal cause of men’s faith, and that he hath thereby fixed the number of those that shall believe, and whom he will finally save.
But if so, consequently the want, or absence, of such ordination or decree, in behalf of others, is the sole or principal reason of their unbelief; and by God withholding it, he has fixed the number of those that shall not believe, and so shall finally perish.
For if the reason why these persons believed was only, or chiefly this, that they were ordained to believe, and obtain eternal life, then the reason why the rest believed not must be only, or chiefly this, that they were not so ordained by God.
And, if so, what necessity could there be, that the word of God should first be preached to them, Act 13:46.
Was it only that their damnation might be greater?
This seems to charge that lover of souls, whose tender mercies are over all his works, with the greatest cruelty, as it makes him determine from all eternity, not only that so many souls, as capable of salvation as any others, shall perish everlastingly, but also that the dispensations of his providence shall be such toward them, as shall necessarily tend to the aggravation of their condemnation.
And what could even their most malicious enemy do more. Benson
What is it that Satan himself aims at by all his temptations, but the aggravation of the future punishment of sinners?
Therefore, to assert that God had determined his word should be spoken to these Jews for this very end, (which assertion must follow from such an interpretation of the text,) is to make God more instrumental to their ruin than even the devil himself; and is certainly wholly irreconcilable with his declarations, that he is not willing any should perish, but would have all men to be saved.
But what do we see in the text 1] Act 13:46 the Jews rejected the word of God 2] Act 13:48 the Gentiles responded by "rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord". The believed and were saved.
Silverhair
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BF you keep saying that but you do not provide any substantive response to support your position.
So it seems that the one ignoring the truth is you.
Context continues to show that your view is wrong.
Brightfame52
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Brightfame52
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I have not ignored anything, the truth is in the context, you just reject the truth. Thats what people do when God has not shown them truth.
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