Remission of sins is Salvation !

[Brightfame52]

Still denying 1 John 2:2, I see! When you accept the fact that Christ was the satisfaction for the sins of the whole world, then you will begin to understand how redemption actually works.

But until then you will be in the state of confusion!

No you denying remission of sins by the blood of Christ, for the Many. Then you promote a false gospel that Christ died for all mankind, that's as false as it comes, and with not one shred of scripture support.

 

[Charlie24]

No you denying remission of sins by the blood of Christ, for the Many. Then you promote a false gospel that Christ died for all mankind, that's as false as it comes, and with not one shred of scripture support.

I didn't originally say Christ was the satisfaction for the sins of the whole world, the apostle John said it, and you deny it for your version of redemption that's not Biblical.

You can believe whatever you want in your denial of Scripture, but I will always act on behalf of those who don't understand what you're saying.

You're spreading a false sense of salvation every where you go.

 

[Ben1445]

I believe you confused friend.

I believe that you believe that.

 

[Ben1445]

No you denying remission of sins by the blood of Christ, for the Many. Then you promote a false gospel that Christ died for all mankind, that's as false as it comes, and with not one shred of scripture support.

Here is the part you keep shredding instead of reading.

1 John 2:1-2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[Brightfame52]

This also means that forgiveness of sins is Salvation, because remission of sins and forgiveness of sins are the exact same thing. Both are the greek word aphesis which means:

a sending away, a letting go, a release, pardon, complete forgiveness.

ἄφεσις ἁμαρτιῶν forgiveness, pardon, of sins (properly, the letting them go, as if they had not been committed (see at length Trench, § xxxiii.)), remission of their penalty:

This is Salvation!

Its not the result of believing, or repentance, but of Christ shedding His Blood for Many Matt 26:28!

 

[Brightfame52]

Here is the part you keep shredding instead of reading.

1 John 2:1-2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Thats promoting universalism, those folk are saved from sin by the propitiation of Christ. If Christ is your propitiation you are saved.

John wrote later on that there is a whole world lost and under the control of the wicked one, not the same whole world 1 Jn 5:19

19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Now the whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is of God, but this one of 1 Jn 5 19 is not, Christ isnt its propitiation.

 

[Brightfame52]

The world of 1 Jn 2:2 is a saved forgiven world, because Christ is being its propitiation. Now propitiation brings forgiveness of sins as a New Covenant Blessing through the Blood of Christ. The word propitiation is hilasmos :

1. an appeasing, propitiating
2. the means of appeasing, a propitiation hil-as-mos'; atonement, i.e. (concretely) an expiator:—propitiation.

The New Covenant Promise is Heb 8:12-13

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Now the word merciful as in merciful to their unrighteousness is the greek word hileōs:

1. propitious, merciful

An atonement has been made for the soul once and for all, if Christ is our propitiation. Life is in the blood Lev 17:11

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

 

[Silverhair]

Remission of sins is Justification !

Remission of sins is an aspect of Justification, and can even be called Justification, as it pertains to being justified from all the legal consequences of our sins, for this is what Paul means by it here Acts 13:39

And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Some Translations have the right Ideal here:

39 And that through Him everyone who believes [who acknowledges Jesus as his Savior and devotes himself to Him] is absolved (cleared and freed) from every charge from which he could not be justified and freed by the Law of Moses and given right standing with God.AMP

and in Him every believer is absolved from all offences, from which you could not be absolved under the Law of Moses.WNT

To absolve means:

to free from guilt or blame or their consequences: The court absolved her of guilt in his death.
2.
to set free or release, as from some duty, obligation, or responsibility (usually followed by from ): to be absolved from one's oath.
3.
to grant pardon for.
4.
Ecclesiastical .
a.
to grant or pronounce remission of sins to.
b.
to remit (a sin) by absolution.
c.
to declare (censure, as excommunication) removed.

Being Justified from all things as Per Acts 13:39 means being Justified from all the consequences of ones sins, and it means things the law of Moses in it's Leviticus priesthood with its animal sacrifices could not do ! See Heb Chp 7-10 ; And this Justification of remission of sins is solely accomplished on the death/ blood of Christ Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Heb 9:22

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Now that Justification here in Acts 13:39 pertains to the forgiveness of sins is seen from what is said in Vs 38

38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Forgiveness of sins is the negative side of Justification, but does have a positive effect, it gives the forgiven reconciliation to God even while they are enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Reconciliation is because of forgiveness, which is Justification ! This Truth also confirms Justification before Faith !

BF look at what you just posted here. It contradicts your saved at the cross position.

Act 13:39 "and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Note the person has to believe B4 they are justified BF.
They have to hear of Christ vs 38 {preached to you} and respond to that message vs 38 {the forgiveness of sins} with faith vs 39 {everyone who believes is justified}

No one is saved at the cross BF. The bible is clear on that but you just will not accept it even when you post verses that prove it.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

Act 13:39 "and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Correct, one has to be first Justified in order to believe. Its not everyone who believes gets Justified, but is Justified. Believing is the evidence that Christ Justified them, which the law could never do

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



Correct, one has to be first Justified in order to believe. Its not everyone who believes gets Justified, but is Justified. Believing is the evidence that Christ Justified them, which the law could never do

You have a really weird way of reading BF.

be justified G1344

G1344
- Original: δικαιόω
- Transliteration: Dikaioo
- Phonetic: dik-ah-yo’-o
- Definition:
1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

So you have the person righteous before they believe. Not a biblical view but it is one that you continue to put forward.

You just keep piling one error on top of the other BF.

 

[Ben1445]

Thats promoting universalism, those folk are saved from sin by the propitiation of Christ. If Christ is your propitiation you are saved.

John wrote later on that there is a whole world lost and under the control of the wicked one, not the same whole world 1 Jn 5:19

19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Now the whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is of God, but this one of 1 Jn 5 19 is not, Christ isnt its propitiation.

When I see John I’ll tell him you said to stop promoting universalism.
I don’t think that you understand what I or John said though.

You seem to think that I mean “

1. The doctrine, held especially by some Christian groups, that all people will eventually be saved.”

Which is universalism.

What I understand Scripture to clearly say is that all people can be saved. This is not universalism.

 

[Ben1445]

This also means that forgiveness of sins is Salvation, because remission of sins and forgiveness of sins are the exact same thing. Both are the greek word aphesis which means:

a sending away, a letting go, a release, pardon, complete forgiveness.

ἄφεσις ἁμαρτιῶν forgiveness, pardon, of sins (properly, the letting them go, as if they had not been committed (see at length Trench, § xxxiii.)), remission of their penalty:

This is Salvation!

Its not the result of believing, or repentance, but of Christ shedding His Blood for Many Matt 26:28!

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Ben1445]

@Silverhair



Correct, one has to be first Justified in order to believe. Its not everyone who believes gets Justified, but is Justified. Believing is the evidence that Christ Justified them, which the law could never do

What has to happen to you before justifying? Surely we are so far gone that we must be made able to be enabled. And what makes us able to be able to be enabled?

Or we can just believe like Scripture teaches that Jesus paid for sin and by His death, the shedding of His blood, and through His resurrection, we have all our inadequacies resolved. We don’t need to do anything but respond.
The biggest problem I find that the Calvinist has with this is that it is not exclusive enough.

 

[Brightfame52]

When I see John I’ll tell him you said to stop promoting universalism.
I don’t think that you understand what I or John said though.

You seem to think that I mean “

1. The doctrine, held especially by some Christian groups, that all people will eventually be saved.”

Which is universalism.

What I understand Scripture to clearly say is that all people can be saved. This is not universalism.

If you think 1 Jn 2:1-2 is speaking about all humanity, you are promoting universalism because propitiation is a salvation blessing, it only applies to the saved. Lost people on their way to hell have not had their sins satisfied for, Gods wrath is upon them forever

 

[Brightfame52]

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

There sins were already forgiven through the blood Matt 26:28 and they were already regenerated saved.

 

[Brightfame52]

What has to happen to you before justifying? Surely we are so far gone that we must be made able to be enabled. And what makes us able to be able to be enabled?

Or we can just believe like Scripture teaches that Jesus paid for sin and by His death, the shedding of His blood, and through His resurrection, we have all our inadequacies resolved. We don’t need to do anything but respond.
The biggest problem I find that the Calvinist has with this is that it is not exclusive enough.

Christ blood Justified them He died for Rom 5:9, they believe when they find out about it. An unjustified person cant believe, they are condemned by the law.

 

[Aaron]

We do not need a lexicon to tell us what remission is....

You'd think...

 

[KJB1611reader]

You'd think...

The Bible Define words, I need no lexicon.

 

[Aaron]

BF look at what you just posted here. It contradicts your saved at the cross position.

Act 13:39 "and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Note the person has to believe B4 they are justified BF.
They have to hear of Christ vs 38 {preached to you} and respond to that message vs 38 {the forgiveness of sins} with faith vs 39 {everyone who believes is justified}

No one is saved at the cross BF. The bible is clear on that but you just will not accept it even when you post verses that prove it.

All God's children are saved at the Cross. It just hasn't yet worked itself out in time. Like Christ was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world, yet working out in time is a different thing.

1 John 3:2 - Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[Aaron]

The Bible Define words, I need no lexicon.

LOL. Go back to school, neophyte. There are some who do need the lexicon.