Remission of sins is Salvation !

[Silverhair]

They received/believed on His Name because they were born of God

BF you are putting the card before the horse.

They are born of God because they believe.

 

[Silverhair]

Then you not receiving the Truth

I accept the truth as we find it in the word of God.

I do not accept what you call truth as it is not found in the word of God.

 

[Silverhair]

Man you just say anything, dont make a bit of sense. I just said, people believe in Jesus after having been bor again Jn 1:12-13

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God—BSB

You are trying to turn the word of God on it's head BF. We hear, we believe, then we are, by the grace of God, saved.

 

[Ben1445]

Propitiation means Gods wrath is satisfied, appeased, so how can anyone be under Christs propitiation and under Gods wrath at the same time ? Thats error

Christ’s blood is the satisfactory answer for all sin. There is no other salvation. You can choose to apply the blood to your doorpost, or you can die in the world.

 

[Ben1445]

Huh, what are you saying now ? You just say anything

You don’t know what I’m saying because you don’t like to have anybody teach you something you believe is wrong.
You don’t even try to understand.

 

[Ben1445]

John gave the cause of why some jews received/believed on Jesus when most others didn't, it was because the ones believing on Him were born of God

So believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved should say,
Thou shalt be saved and then believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
I don’t think I like how reformed theology always has to change the reading backwards to make it fit their doctrine.

 

[Brightfame52]

When Jesus shed His Covenant blood, the Blood of the New Covenant Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Now notice, it wasnt shed for all mankind, but for many out of mankind, who were in the scope of the New Covenant, a chosen Covenant people typified by the House of Israel Heb 8:8-12

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Now notice Vs 12 that's a commentary on Matt 26:28 the remission/forgiveness of sins

Now the word remission Vs 28 is the greek word aphesis

1. release from bondage or imprisonment
2. forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

The Many by His Blood shed alone have had all their sins wiped away as though they never had sinned, the penalty of their sins, death has been abolished, they are yet sinners by nature, however they shall never have to face God and give an account of their sins, we can reasonably say, they are from the womb, though sinful from the womb, yet they are saved from the penalty of their sins by and through the blood of the lord Jesus Christ.

And the word merciful in Heb 8:12 is the word propitious

So propitiation 1 Jn 2:2 is linked to the forgiveness of sins by and through the Blood shed of the Covenant.

 

[Brightfame52]

So believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved should say,
Thou shalt be saved and then believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
I don’t think I like how reformed theology always has to change the reading backwards to make it fit their doctrine.

John gave the cause of why some jews received/believed on Jesus when most others didn't, it was because the ones believing on Him were born of God

 

[Silverhair]

When Jesus shed His Covenant blood, the Blood of the New Covenant Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Now notice, it wasnt shed for all mankind, but for many out of mankind, who were in the scope of the New Covenant, a chosen Covenant people typified by the House of Israel Heb 8:8-12




Now notice Vs 12 that's a commentary on Matt 26:28 the remission/forgiveness of sins

Now the word remission Vs 28 is the greek word aphesis

1. release from bondage or imprisonment
2. forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

The Many by His Blood shed alone have had all their sins wiped away as though they never had sinned, the penalty of their sins, death has been abolished, they are yet sinners by nature, however they shall never have to face God and give an account of their sins, we can reasonably say, they are from the womb, though sinful from the womb, yet they are saved from the penalty of their sins by and through the blood of the lord Jesus Christ.

And the word merciful in Heb 8:12 is the word propitious

So propitiation 1 Jn 2:2 is linked to the forgiveness of sins by and through the Blood shed of the Covenant.

BF where in these words
Mat 26:28 This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
do you see any limitation of for whom Christ's blood was poured out. You have to read that into the text.

Then we see
1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
and now you ignore what the bible clearly says. Christ was the atonement sacrifice for the whole world.

Rom 3:25 God presented Him as the atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood, in order to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance He had passed over the sins committed beforehand.

What does the atonement sacrifice do in scripture BF?

You said those for whom Christ's blood was shed "had all their sins wiped away as though they never had sinned, the penalty of their sins, death has been abolished, they are yet sinners by nature, however they shall never have to face God and give an account of their sins, we can reasonably say, they are from the womb, though sinful from the womb, yet they are saved from the penalty of their sins by and through the blood of the lord Jesus Christ."

BF what you continue to say is in clear opposition to what the bible says.

We also see where Paul writes in regard to faith
1Co 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

Rom 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek.

Why did the Father send His son BF?
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

Note the condition for salvation BF.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not

Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Salvation is a gift BF that only those that believe in the risen Christ receive.

Christ's death, His shed blood, made salvation possible for the whole world but only those that will freely trust in Him will be saved.

 

[Ben1445]

When Jesus shed His Covenant blood, the Blood of the New Covenant Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Now notice, it wasnt shed for all mankind, but for many out of mankind, who were in the scope of the New Covenant, a chosen Covenant people typified by the House of Israel Heb 8:8-12




Now notice Vs 12 that's a commentary on Matt 26:28 the remission/forgiveness of sins

Now the word remission Vs 28 is the greek word aphesis

1. release from bondage or imprisonment
2. forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

The Many by His Blood shed alone have had all their sins wiped away as though they never had sinned, the penalty of their sins, death has been abolished, they are yet sinners by nature, however they shall never have to face God and give an account of their sins, we can reasonably say, they are from the womb, though sinful from the womb, yet they are saved from the penalty of their sins by and through the blood of the lord Jesus Christ.

And the word merciful in Heb 8:12 is the word propitious

So propitiation 1 Jn 2:2 is linked to the forgiveness of sins by and through the Blood shed of the Covenant.

So if the blood is not applied to someone, the payment for sin does not apply to them. They remain under judgement.
God provides the sacrifice. Who did God instruct to apply the blood to their dwellings?

This is an allegory. We also apply the blood to ourselves. When we apply the blood that is shed for us to ourselves, judgment will pass by us and we are justified under the blood of Christ.

 

[Ben1445]

John gave the cause of why some jews received/believed on Jesus when most others didn't, it was because the ones believing on Him were born of God

You need to do those kindergarten picture challenges that put the pictures in order. It might help you get practice reading and putting events in the correct order.
You will always be confused about this if you keep taking the results and saying that they are the cause.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

BF where in these words
Mat 26:28 This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
do you see any limitation of for whom Christ's blood was poured out. You have to read that into the text.

Well its limited to the Many, also its obviously limited to them whose sins are forgiven, duh Is everyone in whole entire world without exception have forgiveness of sins ? NO so its limited by its effects as well, this is bible one

 

[Brightfame52]

So if the blood is not applied to someone, the payment for sin does not apply to them. They remain under judgement.
God provides the sacrifice. Who did God instruct to apply the blood to their dwellings?

This is an allegory. We also apply the blood to ourselves. When we apply the blood that is shed for us to ourselves, judgment will pass by us and we are justified under the blood of Christ.

It applies only to the forgiven. Now is everyone's sins forgiven ? NOPE so Christ didnt shed His Blood for them, impossible

 

[Brightfame52]

You need to do those kindergarten picture challenges that put the pictures in order. It might help you get practice reading and putting events in the correct order.
You will always be confused about this if you keep taking the results and saying that they are the cause.

Again The reason why some believed on Him, its because they had been born of God, Jn 1:12-13 teaches that clearly.

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



Well its limited to the Many, also its obviously limited to them whose sins are forgiven, duh Is everyone in whole entire world without exception have forgiveness of sins ? NO so its limited by its effects as well, this is bible one

BF you are ignoring the biblical text again.

As long as you continue to do that you will not understand biblical salvation.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you are ignoring the biblical text again.

As long as you continue to do that you will not understand biblical salvation.

Thats you. Them Jesus shed His Covenant Blood for receive to their account by God, forgiveness of sins, deliverance from the penalty of sin, which is death. Now nobody Jesus died for can ever be part of these folks Rev 21 8


But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Thats the penalty of sin. Now how could Christ have died for them, for the remission of sins, the remitting of the penalty of sin ?

 

[Brightfame52]

Forgiveness and redemption with it are immediate effects of Christs Covenant Death,

Col 1:14

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

This redemption apolytrōsis means:

everywhere in the N. T. metaphorically, viz. deliverance effected through the death of Christ from the retributive wrath of a holy God and the merited penalty of sin: Romans 3:24; Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14

Now this is joined with forgiveness of sins


Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

 

[Brightfame52]

Also forgiveness of sins is the basis for non imputation of sin. Rom 4

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

So this world is a forgiven world, God doesnt impute with sin 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

God is Just and fair and isnt going to impute sin upon anyone Christ shed His Blood for and gave them forgiveness of sins Matt 26:28

So the world of 2 Cor 5:19 is the world that has been covered by the Blood of the New Covenant that Christ shed, its forgiven.

So this world cant be all without exception, it cant include the unforgiven who shall die in their sins.

 

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[Ben1445]

It applies only to the forgiven. Now is everyone's sins forgiven ? NOPE so Christ didnt shed His Blood for them, impossible

Anyone who it is applied to is forgiven. All are invited. You should take up Hebrew. They read from right to left just like you do. You’re a natural.