Communion - Grape Juice vs Wine - WHY

[Salty]

Why Do Protestants Use Grape Juice in Communion? - Christianity FAQ

Using grape juice during communion is common in Protestant churches, especially in North America. In fact, some Protestant Christians don’t realize that other traditions still use wine. Many Protestants drink grape juice at communion instead of wine because of the potential dangers and negative...

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[Salty]

Or was Mr. Welch trying to expand his company?

 

[Jerome]

It's very telling that the word wine is never used in the relevant Scriptures. Hallelujah!
In the Gospels they 'drank of the fruit of the vine' at the Last Supper.
And I Cor. 11 the the chosen term is 'this cup'.

 

[Cathode]

Bible says wine. Wine is a particular thing, not the same as grape juice, or red wine vinegar.

WINE.

If wine was never meant to be consumed, Jesus would not have made vats of the stuff.
People forget that Jesus had a short career as a winemaker, and a much vaunted vintage it was.

 

[Jerome]

Bible says wine.

Wrong!
See post #2 above.

 

[atpollard]

I think we should move to modern Fortified Wines to discourage children taking communion as a snack.

The base for Port is made like any other wine. Grapes are grown, pressed and fermented with yeast, which converts the wine’s natural sugars into alcohol. In the production of fortified wine, however, there’s an additional step. Before all the sugar is converted to alcohol, a neutral grape spirit is introduced to the wine. This process is known as fortification.

For Port, the neutral spirit is commonly called aguardente, derived from água argente, which translates to “fiery water” in Portuguese. The aguardente kills the remaining yeast and stops fermentation. The resulting wines retain some of their residual sugar, resulting in off-dry to sweet final profilesand higher alcohol contents, typically around 20% alcohol-by-volume (abv). Wines are stored and aged in barrels before bottling. [SOURCE]

 

[Cathode]

It's very telling that the word wine is never used in the relevant Scriptures. Hallelujah!
In the Gospels they 'drank of the fruit of the vine' at the Last Supper.
And I Cor. 11 the the chosen term is 'this cup'.

“Fruit of the vine” meant wine in Jewish culture, not what you choose to think it means. Grapes were already fermenting on the vine when picked to crush and press, vine ripening concentrated the sugars.
Fermentation begins straight away without refrigeration, it could not be stopped.

If they crushed grapes to drink, it was for wine or stored long enough it became vinegar.

Grape juice has to be refrigerated immediately and processed to stop the fermentation from natural yeasts on the skins. There was no refrigeration or pasteurisation to halt or kill the yeasts.

The Last Supper was at the end of March earliest April, grape harvesting in Israel starts in mid July through to October, so if Jesus and His disciples were drinking “ fruit of the vine “ it wasn’t fresh chilled grape juice. It was 6 months of solid fermentation from the previous season at least.

 

[Jerome]

The Last Supper was at the end of March earliest April, grape harvesting in Israel starts in mid July through to October

Yes, and how about your 'Our Lady of Guadalupe' sending Juan Diego out to gather roses blooming...in December?!

 

[Cathode]

Yes, and how about your 'Our Lady of Guadalupe' sending Juan Diego out to gather roses blooming...in December?!

Are you suggesting a miracle that Jesus was drinking fresh grape juice at the Last Supper, I would as well considering the time of year, it would be a miracle.

Jesus could have bypassed pasteurisation and refrigeration as well.

Hey, let’s run with this faith thing and go even further and believe Jesus changed the bread and grape juice into His Body and Blood. Double dare you.

 

[Walter]

So, did or didn't Baptists and other protestants use wine up to the time of Prohibition?

 

[PreacherBruce]

Greetings to all. The attached PDF is a result of my prayer, fasting, and supplication with thanksgiving as I studied this subject. It addresses more than the narrow subject of this thread, but I hope that what does pertain to this thread will be useful.

My background in the engineering field prompts me to be objective in my studies, looking for proof while avoiding assumption. I only ask that responses be provided in the Christian spirit in which it is written. I hope it is a blessing.

 

[JesusFan]

Why Do Protestants Use Grape Juice in Communion? - Christianity FAQ

Using grape juice during communion is common in Protestant churches, especially in North America. In fact, some Protestant Christians don’t realize that other traditions still use wine. Many Protestants drink grape juice at communion instead of wine because of the potential dangers and negative...

christianityfaq.com

Think that many Churches do the Grape Juice as a reaction against alcohol, having a strict prohibition against taking wine, yet still have not found any mandate that states we cannot consume wine, but do know becomes sinning if to being drunk or under its control

 

[Jerome]

but do know becomes sinning if to being drunk

Well said!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think it has to do with the actual feast itself

the feast of unleavened bread it was called.

the could be no levin.. which means their could be no literal wine..

 

[Cathode]

I think it has to do with the actual feast itself

the feast of unleavened bread it was called.

the could be no levin.. which means their could be no literal wine..

Wine yeast is not chametz.

Wheat, barley, oat, spelt, or rye, leaven/yeast is chametz.

Yeast which is the product of grapes, or its sugars, is not considered chametz (leavened food).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Wine yeast is not chametz.

Wheat, barley, oat, spelt, or rye, leaven/yeast is chametz.

Yeast which is the product of grapes, or its sugars, is not considered chametz (leavened food).

I did not say I agreed. I said this is why many do this..

but thank you.. I used to believe that also. but changed my mind about 10 years ago., we do both wine and juice at our church people can chose

 

[Cathode]

I did not say I agreed. I said this is why many do this..

but thank you.. I used to believe that also. but changed my mind about 10 years ago., we do both wine and juice at our church people can chose

To me its just another product of the general subjective lawless of Protestantism.

Bible means what anyone wants it to mean, till the Bible is meaningless.

Not only is the spiritual significance of the Eucharist lost on people, they even go on to destroy the elements for themselves.

I remember the Cookies and Coke travesty of years ago, it just makes a complete mockery totally profaning the Sacred. People thought it was funny.

 

[JonC]

I think it has to do with the actual feast itself

the feast of unleavened bread it was called.

the could be no levin.. which means their could be no literal wine..

Natural fermentation. Jews still use wine made without levin (see chametz) for Passover, but most have adapted to using kosher yeast.

Funny story....if you see birds acting strange good chance there are grapes or (better yet) muscadines near by. They fall and ferment in their skins.

 

[Cathode]

Natural fermentation. Jews still use wine made without levin (see chametz) for Passover, but most have adapted to using kosher yeast.

Funny story....if you see birds acting strange good chance there are grapes or (better yet) muscadines near by. They fall and ferment in their skins.

We shoot thousands of rainbow lorikeets that come for fermenting end season apples. 4500 birds on one orchard alone. The birds are so drunk you can sometimes grab them with your hands.

 

[JonC]

We shoot thousands of rainbow lorikeets that come for fermenting end season apples. 4500 birds on one orchard alone. The birds are so drunk you can sometimes grab them with your hands.

That's funny.