Communion - Grape Juice vs Wine - WHY

[Eternally Grateful]

To me its just another product of the general subjective lawless of Protestantism.

Bible means what anyone wants it to mean, till the Bible is meaningless.

Not only is the spiritual significance of the Eucharist lost on people, they even go on to destroy the elements for themselves.

I remember the Cookies and Coke travesty of years ago, it just makes a complete mockery totally profaning the Sacred. People thought it was funny.

ok now we have a problem

The flesh and blood that gives life in John 6 is not found in the eucharist. the eucharist is a mock and pagan ritual that leads no one to Christ.

Jesus called this bread from heaven a food that whoever ate it they would never die.

Not that we have to continue to eat on a regular basis, and we may not die.

 

[Ben1445]

I think we should move to modern Fortified Wines to discourage children taking communion as a snack.

The base for Port is made like any other wine. Grapes are grown, pressed and fermented with yeast, which converts the wine’s natural sugars into alcohol. In the production of fortified wine, however, there’s an additional step. Before all the sugar is converted to alcohol, a neutral grape spirit is introduced to the wine. This process is known as fortification.

For Port, the neutral spirit is commonly called aguardente, derived from água argente, which translates to “fiery water” in Portuguese. The aguardente kills the remaining yeast and stops fermentation. The resulting wines retain some of their residual sugar, resulting in off-dry to sweet final profilesand higher alcohol contents, typically around 20% alcohol-by-volume (abv). Wines are stored and aged in barrels before bottling. [SOURCE]

I prefer a different Spirit.

 

[Ben1445]

“Fruit of the vine” meant wine in Jewish culture, not what you choose to think it means. Grapes were already fermenting on the vine when picked to crush and press, vine ripening concentrated the sugars.
Fermentation begins straight away without refrigeration, it could not be stopped.

If they crushed grapes to drink, it was for wine or stored long enough it became vinegar.

Grape juice has to be refrigerated immediately and processed to stop the fermentation from natural yeasts on the skins. There was no refrigeration or pasteurisation to halt or kill the yeasts.

The Last Supper was at the end of March earliest April, grape harvesting in Israel starts in mid July through to October, so if Jesus and His disciples were drinking “ fruit of the vine “ it wasn’t fresh chilled grape juice. It was 6 months of solid fermentation from the previous season at least.

Fire hadn’t been invented yet and they would have had no ay of making a highly concentrated product that was shelf stable.

 

[Ben1445]

Wine yeast is not chametz.

Wheat, barley, oat, spelt, or rye, leaven/yeast is chametz.

Yeast which is the product of grapes, or its sugars, is not considered chametz (leavened food).

Ah! This is the the very heart of the scribes and lawyers of Jesus day. “Legally, I may do this.” Ironically, the rabbis still debate and work around the law based on some strange perspective that is laughable when said outright.

 

[Ben1445]

Natural fermentation. Jews still use wine made without levin (see chametz) for Passover, but most have adapted to using kosher yeast.

Funny story....if you see birds acting strange good chance there are grapes or (better yet) muscadines near by. They fall and ferment in their skins.

The birds or the grapes?