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Believing Into Christ based on God crediting your faith as righteousness
- Thread starter Van
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Why is it that Calvinists cannot address what scripture says, but must misrepresent the biblical presentations I post?
Does God justify a sinner based of their righteousness? Nope.
What I actually said:
Believing Into Christ based on God (the Father) crediting your faith as righteousness is truth
Questions:
1) Does crediting your faith as righteousness make a person righteous? Nope, but it acknowledges the person's faith meets God's purpose.
2) What action does God take based on crediting a person's faith as righteousness? God positionally sanctifies the person by setting them apart in Christ. Thus if a person's faith is credited and then God transfers the person into Christ, they have believed into Him.
3) What is the issue, that Calvinists deny the lost can come to have faith which God would credit as Righteousness? You bet.
Again, I asked for the Father's basis for transferring an individual into Christ, and this poster changes the subject. These posters are enemies of the truth.
Here is is contended that the meaning of John's phrase, originally written in Greek, does not mean, when literally translated into English, "believes into Him."
Let consider three phrases, in (en) Him, on (epi) Him, and into (eis) Him. He wants to change into Him to read the same as in Him, nullifying the use of into. Unsound nonsense. In should be translated in, on translated on, and into translated into.
Translators should not hide positional sanctification for the reader.
Brightfame52
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Brightfame52
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@Van
The only time Faith is counted/credited as my Righteousness is when Faith can be substituted with Christ the object of my Faith, God imputes Righteousness first without Faith Rom 4 6
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Now when you say "when faith meets Gods purpose" I take it you mean a condition or requirement or something correct ?
The only time Faith is counted/credited as my Righteousness is when Faith can be substituted with Christ the object of my Faith, God imputes Righteousness first without Faith Rom 4 6
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Now when you say "when faith meets Gods purpose" I take it you mean a condition or requirement or something correct ?
Yet another vile misrepresentation, just like Satan. Did I say "your righteousness?" Nope, so a false claim by a falsehood poster.
I said God credits the person's faith as righteousness. Does anyone believe this poster actually did not grasp that having a right belief does not make a person righteous and perfect. Neither do I.
This is the sum and substance of Calvinism, hide from any discussion of the biblical basis for their bogus beliefs, by deflecting, changing the subject to false claims about their opponent, and hoist nullification ploys like "because of the context, the verse actually means the opposite of what it says."
On and on this poster continues to post falsehoods already shown to be his own misrepresentations, just like Satan in the garden.
Next he claims God would credit a person's faith as righteousness that does not meet God's purpose. Idiotic gibberish.
On and on, one false claim after another. Pathetic.
What did Satan do in the garden, deny the truth, and suggest, with loaded questions, a falsehood. Sound familiar?
Brightfame52
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Unless the righteousness of a lost person surpasses the righteousness of scribes and Pharisees, such that you have never broken even one point of the Law, the person will not enter the kingdom of heaven. A person must be made perfect to enter the abode of God.
All our works of righteousness, while still a sinner, are as filthy rags to God, but once we are born anew we have been created for good works, and God will increase the harvest of our ministry righteousness.
Our righteousness, as born anew believers, arose from, came from, God crediting our faith as righteousness, and being transferred into Christ where we underwent the washing of regeneration.
Brightfame52
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I hope you know since YOUR faith is your righteousness, that you are obligated to keep the entire law. Mans Faith is under the Law Matt 23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
See Faith by nature is required, it ought to be done as is Love to God !
Brightfame52
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Folks the True Church knows that Christ is our Righteousness, not our Faith credited as our righteousness, thats just filthy rags. But hear the word of God
Jer 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.
Jer 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she[The Church] shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
Isa 54 17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
God given Faith reveals this Righteousness to our mind and heart , to be our righteousness !
Jer 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.
Jer 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she[The Church] shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
Isa 54 17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
God given Faith reveals this Righteousness to our mind and heart , to be our righteousness !
On and on folks, now this poster claims that faith IS righteousness, rather than we obtain our righteousness through our credited faith.
And also note the repetitive posting of non-germane scripture as if it supported his fiction. Saying faith is important does not support the bogus claim our faith IS our righteousness.
Silverhair
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BF you just must start reading verses in context.
Rom 4:5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
John 3:18
“The one who believes into Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed into the name of the uniquely divine Son of God.
What aspects of Christ's attributes are in view here? As Lord and Savior!
If you review Romans 4:19-22 you will see that Abraham actually believed God would fulfill His promise (that he would be the father of many nations, Romans 4:18) which resulted in God crediting Abraham's faith as righteousness.
And, if you continue reading, Romans 4:23 and following, you see the action of God crediting faith as righteousness was not only for Abraham's benefit, but also for the future benefit of those who believe God raised Jesus from the dead, and believe Jesus was sacrificed for our wrongdoings, and believe His sacrifice provided justification into eternal life. Or in other words, the name of Jesus Christ, or as John put it, the name of the uniquely divine Son of God.
The gospel of Christ!
“The one who believes into Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed into the name of the uniquely divine Son of God.
What aspects of Christ's attributes are in view here? As Lord and Savior!
If you review Romans 4:19-22 you will see that Abraham actually believed God would fulfill His promise (that he would be the father of many nations, Romans 4:18) which resulted in God crediting Abraham's faith as righteousness.
And, if you continue reading, Romans 4:23 and following, you see the action of God crediting faith as righteousness was not only for Abraham's benefit, but also for the future benefit of those who believe God raised Jesus from the dead, and believe Jesus was sacrificed for our wrongdoings, and believe His sacrifice provided justification into eternal life. Or in other words, the name of Jesus Christ, or as John put it, the name of the uniquely divine Son of God.
The gospel of Christ!
Brightfame52
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Brightfame52
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Do I have another law keeper here ? Good luck with that in the day of Judgment, with righteous faith
Silverhair
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You continue to prove that you do not read the posts you comment on BF.
Rom 4:5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
We were all judged as sinners/wicked before we were redeemed by God through our faith in Christ Jesus.
What does the bible say about faith being credited as righteousness BF?
Gen_15:6 Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as righteousness.
Rom_4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
Rom_4:5 However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Gal_3:6 So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
Is there some reason that you do not believe what the bible says BF?
The sad part is that you will deny the clear word of God rather than admit your religion is wrong.
Eternally Grateful
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Brightfame52
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You better be keeping every single commandment.
Silverhair
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BF are you blind or do you just ignore what is posted?
How do you square your comment with what was posted?
the man who does not work
but trusts God who justifies
his faith is credited as righteousness.
Why do you think that means one has to accomplish works such as keep every single commandment?
That verse states just the opposite of trusting in works.
If your post is any indication of how you understand the word of God then it is no wonder why you have made such a mess of it.