Question for Baptists

[Mur]

Furthermore, this is how the Word of God was kept from the people as the RCC gained it's foundation and the RCC continued to keep the Word of God from the people until the Reformers came along.

This is why the Catholic people are so brain-washed and don't understand when we explain what they should have been taught.

Finding common ground between Biblical Christians and Catholics is essentially untenable because the aforementioned stick to the Bible whereas Catholics do not. However, I DO believe that there are MANY Godly Catholics, including my biological father. Unfortunately, I also believe that they follow many false doctrines. Fortunately, one doesn't need to be a doctrinally correct theologian to enter God's Kingdom. One only needs to recognize Jesus as their Lord and do the will of the Father in order to enter.

 

[Mur]

No she didn’t.

John had to take Mary into his home. It’s the strict duty for children to take care of the parents in Jewish culture, so it’s obvious Jesus had no siblings.
Even Luther called Jesus brothers and sisters, His cousins, and those that asserted otherwise as ignorant.
Besides, this is another universal Christian belief for first 1500 years. Mary only had Jesus.

Mark 6:1-6

Mark 6

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Jesus Rejected at Nazareth​

6 He went away from there and came to his hometown, and his disciples followed him. 2 And on the Sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things? What is the wisdom given to him? How are such mighty works done by his hands? 3 Is not this the carpenter,[a] the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him. 4 And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” 5 And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And he marveled because of their unbelief.
And he went about among the villages teaching.

 

[Charlie24]

Finding common ground between Biblical Christians and Catholics is essentially untenable because the aforementioned stick to the Bible whereas Catholics do not. However, I DO believe that there are MANY Godly Catholics, including my biological father. Unfortunately, I also believe that they follow many false doctrines. Fortunately, one doesn't need to be a doctrinally correct theologian to enter God's Kingdom. One only needs to recognize Jesus as their Lord and do the will of the Father in order to enter.

Yes, I believe many Catholics are saved, but they are the ones who recognize that faith alone in the finished work of Christ is the only means of salvation.

Even the commandment of water baptism, when made a requirement for salvation can be turned into a work and cancel out the Grace that saves us.

We have a family of former Catholics in our Church, they got out when they learned the truth.

But I'm not here to start a war, or bring about hatred, I just want to discuss what we must know and do to enter into the Kingdom of God, and what bars the door.

 

[Mur]

It does beg the question as to why Jesus commanded John to care for his mother. I think some of these things are simply unknowable, in light of the seeming contradictions.

John 19:26-27

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26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

 

[Mur]

Even the commandment of water baptism, when made a requirement for salvation can be turned into a work and cancel out the Grace that saves us.

I share your understanding. I can't imagine a faithful follower of Christ being condemned to the Lake of Fire simply because they didn't take the plunge. I believe water baptism is a ceremony wherein the baptized affirms their faith in Christ and their intention to follow him.

 

[Charlie24]

I share your understanding. I can't imagine a faithful follower of Christ being condemned to the Lake of Fire simply because they didn't take the plunge. I believe water baptism is a ceremony wherein the baptized affirms their faith in Christ and their intention to follow him.

We agree, and most here have no problem understanding this.

These things that concern our salvation should be the topics of our discussion.

That is the #1 thing I'm interested in, but we all get carried away with the things that don't even concern our salvation, while some are not leaving this world where they should be to enter in.

 

[Mur]

We agree, and most here have no problem understanding this.

These things that concern our salvation should be the topics of our discussion.

That is the #1 thing I'm interested in, but we all get carried away with the things that don't even concern our salvation, while some are not leaving this world not where they should be to enter in.

And this is why I don't identify with a denomination but rather as a simple follower of Jesus. I follow Jesus, not a man-made church.

 

[Charlie24]

And this is why I don't identify with a denomination but rather as a simple follower of Jesus. I follow Jesus, not a man-made church.

I certainly can't fault you there!

A denomination in the way I see it, just represents what you believe. We are all, or should be followers of Christ.

But I can understand your separation from this maze.

 

[Cathode]

Mark 6:1-6

Mark 6​

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English Standard Version​

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Jesus Rejected at Nazareth​

6 He went away from there and came to his hometown, and his disciples followed him. 2 And on the Sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things? What is the wisdom given to him? How are such mighty works done by his hands? 3 Is not this the carpenter,[a] the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him. 4 And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” 5 And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And he marveled because of their unbelief.
And he went about among the villages teaching.

Yes, like I posted, Jesus cousins.

 

[Cathode]

Furthermore, this is how the Word of God was kept from the people as the RCC gained it's foundation and the RCC continued to keep the Word of God from the people until the Reformers came along.

This is why the Catholic people are so brain-washed and don't understand when we explain what they should have been taught.

How did the Catholic Church keep the word of God from people ?

It Canonised the first Bible in 382 Ad, Pope Damasus declared it to the world.

 

[Mur]

Yes, like I posted, Jesus cousins.

Where did it say "cousins"?

 

[Cathode]

Where did it say "cousins"?

The special word for cousin is, get this, “brother”. There was no word for cousin in Aramaic or Hebrew, in Jesus culture.

Abraham refers to Lot as his brother, but Lot was his nephew.

“In comparing Matthew 27:56, Mark 15:40, and John 19:25, we find that James and Joseph (mentioned in Mt 13:55 with Simon and Jude as Jesus’ “brothers”) are the sons of Mary, wife of Clopas. This other Mary (Mt 27:61; 28:1) is called the Blessed Virgin Mary’s adelphe in John 19:25. Assuming that there are not two women named “Mary” in one family, this usage apparently means “cousin” or more distant relative. Matthew 13:55-56 and Mark 6:3 mention Simon, Jude and “sisters” along with James and Joseph, calling all adelphoi. The most plausible interpretation of all this related data is a use of adelphos as “cousins” (or possibly, step-brothers) rather than “siblings.” We know for sure, from the above information, that James and Joseph were not Jesus’ siblings.”

The most compelling argument for Jesus being the only child is cultural.

If Jesus had up to 5 siblings, sisters and brothers, where were they at the Cross?Why is Jesus committing His mother to Johns care, a non family member.

It would have been an insult beyond disownment, to commit care of your Mother to someone else, if their was family to care for her.
It’s the children’s responsibility under the Law to take in and care for their parents.
This is one of the main reasons top scholars recognise that Jesus had no siblings.

 

[Charlie24]

How did the Catholic Church keep the word of God from people ?

It Canonised the first Bible in 382 Ad, Pope Damasus declared it to the world.

Don't blow a gasket, Cathode!

This video explains it better than I can, although I can add to it.

It's only 1:53.

Google Search

 

[Mur]

The special word for cousin is, get this, “brother”. There was no word for cousin in Aramaic or Hebrew, in Jesus culture.

Abraham refers to Lot as his brother, but Lot was his nephew.

“In comparing Matthew 27:56, Mark 15:40, and John 19:25, we find that James and Joseph (mentioned in Mt 13:55 with Simon and Jude as Jesus’ “brothers”) are the sons of Mary, wife of Clopas. This other Mary (Mt 27:61; 28:1) is called the Blessed Virgin Mary’s adelphe in John 19:25. Assuming that there are not two women named “Mary” in one family, this usage apparently means “cousin” or more distant relative. Matthew 13:55-56 and Mark 6:3 mention Simon, Jude and “sisters” along with James and Joseph, calling all adelphoi. The most plausible interpretation of all this related data is a use of adelphos as “cousins” (or possibly, step-brothers) rather than “siblings.” We know for sure, from the above information, that James and Joseph were not Jesus’ siblings.”

The most compelling argument for Jesus being the only child is cultural.

If Jesus had up to 5 siblings, sisters and brothers, where were they at the Cross?Why is Jesus committing His mother to Johns care, a non family member.

It would have been an insult beyond disownment, to commit care of your Mother to someone else, if their was family to care for her.
It’s the children’s responsibility under the Law to take in and care for their parents.
This is one of the main reasons top scholars recognise that Jesus had no siblings.

Thank you. The argument is persuasive. However, I believe it's plausible that Jesus indeed had brothers and sisters born from Mary. To me the scriptures aren't entirely clear and so I can't personally establish any doctrine regarding it.