Why should one be a Baptist instead of simply being...

[Walter]

If you really want to discuss UNIVERSALISM (everyone will be saved eventually), then you should probably start a topic for that with these verses posted and then they can be discussed one at a time in context (plus contrary verses).

This topic seemed to be about something else and I don't know if you really want to open that can of worms here.

I have noticed Mur avoids using the term 'Universalism'. His belief is just that. I lived in Massachusetts for some time and it wasn't unusual to see churches that identified themselves as Universalists and even sometimes in parentheses would be the word 'Trinitarian'. Apparently not all Universalists are Unitarian, however, I found all of them to be ultra liberal and usually had a relationship with the United Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ and other ultra liberal 'Christian' denominations.

I suspect he will not find a church that is willing to allow him to influence others with this belief for long. As was said maybe a local church might give him time to abandon this belief.

 

[Zaatar71]

I have noticed Mur avoids using the term 'Universalism'. His belief is just that. I lived in Massachusetts for some time and it wasn't unusual to see churches that identified themselves as Universalists and even sometimes in parentheses would be the word 'Trinitarian'. Apparently not all Universalists are Unitarian, however, I found all of them to be ultra liberal and usually had a relationship with the United Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ and other ultra liberal 'Christian' denominations.

I suspect he will not find a church that is willing to allow him to influence others with this belief for long. As was said maybe a local church might give him time to abandon this belief.

He is here to help clarify what he has discovered so far. seeing verses offered, he will filter out error.

 

[atpollard]

I have noticed Mur avoids using the term 'Universalism'. His belief is just that.

I am not sure that Mur‘s belief is “universalism” in the traditional sense of the term. His emphasis seems to be an eschatological delivery of all under Christ (which could be closer to a denial of ECT than a belief in universal salvation). At the risk of excessive punning … “the Devil is in the details”.

 

[Mur]

If you really want to discuss UNIVERSALISM (everyone will be saved eventually), then you should probably start a topic for that with these verses posted and then they can be discussed one at a time in context (plus contrary verses).

This topic seemed to be about something else and I don't know if you really want to open that can of worms here.

Ok. I created a new thread here:

Will Jesus succeed at uniting all things to himself?

Ephesians 1:9-10 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. It is God's will that ALL THINGS be united in Jesus and then given over to...

www.baptistboard.com

 

[Mur]

He is here to help clarify what he has discovered so far. seeing verses offered, he will filter out error.

I created a new thread for that discussion here:

Will Jesus succeed at uniting all things to himself?

Ephesians 1:9-10 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. It is God's will that ALL THINGS be united in Jesus and then given over to...

www.baptistboard.com

 

[Mur]

You believe you are now a 'Bible believer'. The problem is that you hold to a belief that is sharply at odds with conservative evangelicalism, Catholicism, and Orthodoxy To my knowledge, there's no such thing as a 'Bible believing' universalist church. Universalists identifying as Christians believe the Bible is historically incorrect and not that relevant to the 21st century. At least that's been my observation.

I created a thread for this discussion.

Will Jesus succeed at uniting all things to himself?

Ephesians 1:9-10 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. It is God's will that ALL THINGS be united in Jesus and then given over to...

www.baptistboard.com

 

[David Lamb]

My response to them would be to show me in the Bible.

After rejecting Catholicism 9 years ago I began studying the Bible and listening to countless preachers and I just went where the Bible took me and still do.

Thanks for your feedback!

It always seems to be believers who were baptised in the bible. When Philip was asked for baptism by the Ethiopian. he said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may (be baptised)." The jailer and his household believed before they were baptised. In the bible, we don't find church and state linked.