Mur
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Correct, but that doesn't say that Jesus can't and won't save people after death. Where are the scriptures to support the that theology?
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What can you tell us about Jesus's forever torture chamber?
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Correct, but that doesn't say that Jesus can't and won't save people after death. Where are the scriptures to support the that theology?
Mur
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You don't understand the definition of reconciliation.
Yes, Jesus will restore harmony.
I brought a business back to harmony, I had to fire a bunch of people to do it, and hire new ones.
The fired people were where they were supposed to be, fired. And the hired people were where they were supposed to be.
Harmony was restored. It all balanced out in the end.
Mur
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So Jesus will "restore harmony" by putting the lost into a forever hot boxes and throwing away the keys? That's your theology? In other words (again), your theology is that Jesus FAILS to save the lost, correct?
Luke 19:10
English Standard Version
10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
Mur
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You're describing a financial reconciliation. Are you saying that's what the Holy Spirit meant when he inspired Paul's letters?
Jesus can’t make you love him, otherwise you would be a preprogrammed automaton. He doesn’t want automatons. He wants us to be completely free to choose Him or not.
Of what joy and Glory is it for a preprogrammed robot to choose Him?
That’s not the amazing creature He created in His image and likeness.
It is great Glory and Joy when a completely free creature chooses Him and Loves Him for who He is. This is true Love.
Mur
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Nobody said otherwise. All will freely choose to follow Jesus. All who ever existed will be in God's Kingdom.
You have allowed your fear to blind your reading of scripture.
We were created with great love from eternal fabric to be with God forever, this was God’s intention. But part of our magnificence is that we have free will.
It’s a terribly free will that can reject its creator.
If you tried to pluck a soul from hell and bring it Heaven, it would be in greater agony than it suffered in Hell. I does not want God or goodness or light, it chose against this.
People in this world shun the light because their deeds are evil.
I have seen real evil, and monsters will never enter heaven.
Be sure you aren’t in this category yourself. Your interpretations of scripture aren’t Christian belief, and you have no authority to declare anything.
Scripture CLEARLY PLAINLY states Hell doesn’t exist for someone terrified with the idea of Hell, and will misinterpret scripture with all his might to falsely comfort himself that Hell doesn’t exist.
Mur
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You obviously ignore much of the Bible.
Mur
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And you as well not only ignore countless scriptures but also create false theologies. I asked you for scripture but you can't provide. Nevertheless, you stick to your falsehoods.
Mur
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You are too disingenuous to accept the definition of reconciliation as used by Paul. You want to win an argument rather than advance your understanding.
Proverbs 12:1-25
"To learn the truth you must long to be teachable, or you can despise correction and remain ignorant".
Mark 4:25
"For whoever has a teachable heart, to him more understanding will be given; and whoever does not have a yearning for truth, even what he has will be taken away from him".
All heretics appeal Scripture to support their errors, what is the point if you interpret what you want scripture to mean.
You can’t accept Hell is real, so you will interpret Hell from Scripture, ignoring every verse saying so.
You are no longer in Christian belief, you have twisted and ignored scripture.