Imputed Righteousness is False Doctrine

[KenH]

If the lost can be made the righteousness of God by imputation, your are saying Christ did not need to die.

Not at all. All of the sins of God's elect were imputed to Christ and He paid their sin debt. Christ's perfect righteousness as the Surety and the Redeemer of God's elect was imputed to them.

Exhaustive determination is false doctrine as scripture says things happen by chance.

God is the Almighty Creator and Sovereign of His creation. Nothing is left to mere chance.

Isaiah 46:9-10
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying,
My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.

No one mentioned the "telescope of time."

So? I am required to restrict my word choice what I write to only what you say, Van. As the saying goes, Van, if the cap fits, then you'll just have to wear it.

God makes conditional covenants, if we do this, He will do that.

The old covenant with the ancient Israelites, such as there residency in the land of Canaan, was that way, "If you will, then I shall."

The new covenant is not conditional. The new covenant is, "I shall, and you will."

2 Corinthians 1:19-20
For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

 

[Van]

Please pardon my misunderstanding.
It appears that you have said that Christ was made a sinner. It sounds like you mean that when Christ was made in the likeness of men that He became a created sinner. Literally born a sinner is the way it sounds. Sorry if I haven’t followed you very well.
Could you please clarify this last statement for me. Please use different words because if you send me the same statement, I will read it the same way.

Why do you say "it sounds like" but do not provide the "quote?" I said the opposite!
Scripture says Christ was sinless. Why claim I said or suggested otherwise?

Why not go with 1 John 3:5 and accept that in order to take away our sin, there could be no sin "in" Him. The just for the unjust, not the unjust for the unjust!

 

[Van]

Correct.

No need to post nonsense.

All these long posts of off topic nonsense simply demonstrate no one was made the righteousness of God by imputation.

A vessel of wrath can become, by being born anew, a vessel of mercy.

And folks, anyone who denies Hebrews 11:39-40 is a false teacher!

 

[Ben1445]

Here is the screenshot of the statement from you that I quoted.
It is the shaded part that starts by saying “Van said”

 

[Ben1445]

Why do you say "it sounds like" but do not provide the "quote?" I said the opposite!
Scripture says Christ was sinless. Why claim I said or suggested otherwise?

Why not go with 1 John 3:5 and accept that in order to take away our sin, there could be no sin "in" Him. The just for the unjust, not the unjust for the unjust!

But you still didn’t clarify.
If you push the hyperlinked arrow next to the “van said” “ben1445 said” it takes you to the quoted post.
But don’t try that in the screenshot I sent you.
The links don’t carry over through screenshots.
I’ll wait for a clearer understanding of what you meant the first time.
I don’t need you to tell me how to answer your false doctrine. I want to know what you meant in what sounded like false doctrine.
If you are too proud to answer my simple minded confusion, just say so. I’ll stop asking.

 

[KenH]

No need to post nonsense.

The gospel is not nonsense, Van.

All these long posts of off topic nonsense simply demonstrate no one was made the righteousness of God by imputation.

The righteousness of Christ is imputed to God's elect - every last one of them.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works.

A vessel of wrath can become, by being born anew, a vessel of mercy.

Nope. Sheep don't evolve into goats, goats don't evolve into sheep.

A vessel of mercy does not change into a vessel of wrath, a vessel of wrath does not change into a vessel of mercy.

Whatever the Potter makes remains in the condition in which He made it.

Romans 9:21-24
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
and that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

And folks, anyone who denies Hebrews 11:39-40 is a false teacher!

Yes, you have proven that you are a false teacher, Van. "Vanology" is a false gospel.

 

[Van]

But you still didn’t clarify.
If you push the hyperlinked arrow next to the “van said” “ben1445 said” it takes you to the quoted post.
But don’t try that in the screenshot I sent you.
The links don’t carry over through screenshots.
I’ll wait for a clearer understanding of what you meant the first time.
I don’t need you to tell me how to answer your false doctrine. I want to know what you meant in what sounded like false doctrine.
If you are too proud to answer my simple minded confusion, just say so. I’ll stop asking.

I asked a question to answer, did YOU explain how Christ as a "made sinner" was just. Did I say Christ was a made sinner? Nope, That was your position, not mine.

Sadly, no Calvinist believes scripture, Calvinism has made the truth of scripture unbelievable to their closed minds.

Not one of them has even acknowledged we are made the righteousness of God in Him. Or that Christ had to suffer and die in order to remove our sin burden, what God held against us, nailing it to the cross so to speak. Not one.

It is pointless to even discuss the error in translation, because all you can offer is denial. Did you explain why the NKJV is different? Nope.

Did you explain how Christ as a made sinner was just? Nope.

As I said, it is pointless, as you make no effort to describe the basis for your untenable views.

Here is the simple answer to the question you seem incapable of even grasping! Jesus could not have just, if He sacrificed His life as a "made sinner!" Therefore that translation is erroneous nonsense. Jesus, who knew no sin, was treated as sin on our behalf.

 

[Van]

The gospel is not nonsense, Van.



The righteousness of Christ is imputed to God's elect - every last one of them.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works.



Nope. Sheep don't evolve into goats, goats don't evolve into sheep.

A vessel of mercy does not change into a vessel of wrath, a vessel of wrath does not change into a vessel of mercy.

Whatever the Potter makes remains in the condition in which He made it.

Romans 9:21-24
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
and that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?


Yes, you have proven that you are a false teacher, Van. "Vanology" is a false gospel.

It is your lie to claim the gospel is nonsense.
It is your lie to claim anyone was ever imputed with the righteousness of God.
It is a lie to claim that "Made the righteousness of God" means "imputed with the Righteousness of God."
It is a lie to claim vessels of wrath (also called children of wrath) are not made vessels of mercy by being born anew in Christ. Ephesians 2:3
It is a lie to claim anyone said vessels of mercy changes into vessels of wrath.
It is a lie to claim God cannot make a vessel of wrath into a vessel of mercy, as He has mercy upon whom ever He chooses.

 

[JesusFan]

It is your lie to claim the gospel is nonsense.
It is your lie to claim anyone was ever imputed with the righteousness of God.
It is a lie to claim that "Made the righteousness of God" means "imputed with the Righteousness of God."
It is a lie to claim vessels of wrath (also called children of wrath) are not made vessels of mercy by being born anew in Christ. Ephesians 2:3
It is a lie to claim anyone said vessels of mercy changes into vessels of wrath.
It is a lie to claim God cannot make a vessel of wrath into a vessel of mercy, as He has mercy upon whom ever He chooses.

if God did not impute the righteousness of Christ towards us, we are still lost in our sins

 

[canadyjd]

……Of course I do not know, ……

That is the only correct thing you have posted in this thread.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Sadly, no Calvinist believes scripture, Calvinism has made the truth of scripture unbelievable to their closed minds.

Not one of them has even acknowledged we are made the righteousness of God in Him. Or that Christ had to suffer and die in order to remove our sin burden, what God held against us, nailing it to the cross so to speak. Not one.

This entire post is mind boggling cowpie devoid of any understanding of what “Calvinists” believe.

You just make up a bunch of cowpie, claim “Calvinists” believe it, then pat yourself on the back as if you have exposed some great heresy.

Your ignorance of what “Calvinists” believe is only matched by your ignorance of what scripture teaches.

Start another thread, and another, and another, and another……

I’ve never seen anyone so obsessed with lying about what people believe so they can prove what they “believe” is wrong.

Very very sad

Peace to you

 

[Van]

if God did not impute the righteousness of Christ towards us, we are still lost in our sins

Gibberish, yet not one Calvinist told our unfortunate friend he needed to fix his post...

News flash for all Calvinists: We were made the righteousness of God by the blood of the Lamb...

 

[Van]

That is the only correct thing you have posted in this thread.

Peace to you

Yet another mindless post from a heart of malice.

Imputed Righteousness if false doctrine, we are made the Righteousness of God by the blood of the Lamb.

 

[Van]

This entire post is mind boggling cowpie devoid of any understanding of what “Calvinists” believe.

You just make up a bunch of cowpie, claim “Calvinists” believe it, then pat yourself on the back as if you have exposed some great heresy.

Your ignorance of what “Calvinists” believe is only matched by your ignorance of what scripture teaches.

Start another thread, and another, and another, and another……

I’ve never seen anyone so obsessed with lying about what people believe so they can prove what they “believe” is wrong.

Very very sad

Peace to you

Does anyone think the topic is what Calvinist say they believe, because tomorrow they might say Christ is not the means of reconciliation.

All these unstudied posters have in common is the inability to study scripture, because if they did, they would not be Calvinists. So they fall back on "against the person" false charges, and change of subject questions.

 

[JesusFan]

Gibberish, yet not one Calvinist told our unfortunate friend he needed to fix his post...

News flash for all Calvinists: We were made the righteousness of God by the blood of the Lamb...

God the Father declared us now justified by imputing to us very righteousness of Christ

 

[KenH]

No one mentioned the "telescope of time."

So? I am not required to restrict my word choice what I write to only what you say, Van. As the saying goes, Van, if the cap fits, then you'll just have to wear it.

[Fixed this from an earlier post where I inadvertently left out the word "not".]

 

[Van]

So? I am not required to restrict my word choice what I write to only what you say, Van. As the saying goes, Van, if the cap fits, then you'll just have to wear it.

[Fixed this from an earlier post where I inadvertently left out the word "not".]

Yet another word salad, discussion who knows what...

Scripture makes no mention of the "telescope of time" so to claim God used one is malarkey.

 

[Van]

God the Father declared us now justified by imputing to us very righteousness of Christ

Not one Calvinist has the honesty or integrity to stand up for scripture, we are made the righteousness of God in Him by the washing of regeneration, by the precious blood of the Lamb.