Government murder

[atpollard]

And it the person was in the US then the arrest would have been legal but it was not done in the US but in another country that had not given the US permission to do what it had done.

Do you remember when Nazi's hiding in South America were kidnapped (not by the USA) and returned to Europe to stand trial for War Crimes?

I repeat: What law was violated?

 

[Ben1445]

Boy you really are trying hard to justify what the US just did and has said they want to do to other sovereign countries.

Why did we have WW1 and WW2. It was to stop an aggressor nation. What has the US become but that aggressor nation.

So as long as they don’t expand their tyranny (which was real) you are okay with it?
And they were selling their death among other things, into our country. So it doesn’t seem to affect you. Mind your own business, Chamberlain.

 

[Ben1445]

Kevin it seems you think a nation can sin and loose it's salvation. Only people can sin and those in the nation who do will be judged but those that have trusted in God will not be judged.

Example many in the USA think that the invasion of Venezuela was justified but not all do. Those that think it was justified will be judged accordingly just as those that think it was wrong will be judged accordingly.

Hey, Joe took something from Sally. I just want to get your opinion on it for the eternal record so you can be judged for it.
Never mind the details. Just let us know so we can know if you will be in heaven.

Yes! Judgment on after the fact opinions is kind of stupid.
But since you believe it is a real thing,
Joab killed Absalom. Was it right or wrong?
Jephthah and his daughter. Right or wrong?
Rahab lied about the spies. Right or wrong?

I’ll get some more if you like. But keep in mind your eternal security might be at stake.


Or NOT!! That would be anti Scripture. Why suddenly when a politician does something is everyone who might have voted for him accountable for his actions, but outside that, the children’s teeth aren’t set on edge when the father eats sour grapes?

Politics gets involved and your theology goes out the window.

 

[Ben1445]

Could be the case . That is the topic I am trying to get discussion of. With the anniversary of Auschwitz and hearing the stories of the actions of the German government and the fact that there was no earthly justice. So I ask do we believe that these men and women were not called out for their support of the genocide? Did the butcher who knew of the actions and supported “the final solution “ clear of judgement?

What is your religion? The real name that you would invite me to worship with you in?

Still waiting for an answer.

 

[Silverhair]

Do you remember when Nazi's hiding in South America were kidnapped (not by the USA) and returned to Europe to stand trial for War Crimes?

I repeat: What law was violated?

Do you not know that invading another country to kidnap a person is against the law?

Are you that blinded to reality that you will just go along with what ever he says or does?

 

[Silverhair]

So as long as they don’t expand their tyranny (which was real) you are okay with it?
And they were selling their death among other things, into our country. So it doesn’t seem to affect you. Mind your own business, Chamberlain.

Now you try to deflect from what we were speaking of. I do find it funny that you make so much effort to defend what you clearly understand was illegal.

As I said B4 if the people of the US did not buy the product then it would not be shipped to the US. So look in your own backyard and deal with that problem B4 you invade other countries.

What the US did was illegal by any standard you want to use , well except for what you seem to think the US standard is.

 

[Ben1445]

Now you try to deflect from what we were speaking of. I do find it funny that you make so much effort to defend what you clearly understand was illegal.

As I said B4 if the people of the US did not buy the product then it would not be shipped to the US. So look in your own backyard and deal with that problem B4 you invade other countries.

What the US did was illegal by any standard you want to use , well except for what you seem to think the US standard is.

It is not my place to judge their actions.
If I sent a summons, you think Trump, or Maduro, or Putin or anyone you want me to judge for that matter, would they come?

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice:
but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

But you go ahead. Condemn Alexander the Great for stepping foot out of Macedonia.
Yell at the pilgrims for moving in on the “indigenous people.”
You should be ashamed of your French Canadian history of scalping the local animal population when they should have stayed in France.
Write your letters to Columbus, Marco Polo, and Edmund Hillary if you please.
But at the end of the century, no one will have much idea of you or I. The history books will tell the demise of the Maduro regime. God was not taken aback. He gave the power to our President knowing what would happen. Who am I to come in and tell the President he is wrong?
I don’t know what he does. I don’t even want to. It is his responsibility not mine.
But you are like someone yelling at the recorded game on tv in Canada, when both teams are playing and owned in the US.
Yell at the screen. You can get mad at me because you don’t like the head coach over here. But it doesn’t matter.
We scored. And whether you believe it or not we scored runs in more than one game. Venezuelans appreciate it also. Obviously not the communists of Venezuela.

 

[JonC]

What the US did was illegal by any standard you want to use...

Correction....you need to say "should be".

The legality issue is shifting sand due to similar instances in the past. Many of the nations calling it "illegal" also have called Maduro's dictatorship illegitimate (which would make the international law supposedly violated not apply).

To illustrate, the difference between Panama and Venezuela is that the US acknowledged elected President rather than Noriega (which was a difference in timing). But both Noriega and Maduro were, internationally, recognized as illegitimate leaders.

Perhaps terms should have been better spelled out in the past.

But as it stands the incident can be viewed either way. Anti-Trump people will view it as illegal, pro-Trump people will view it as legal.

Probably those of us who are neither simply rejoice with Venezuela while questioning both hamstringing the Executive branch and allowing it to operate without checks. That os another problem that should have been remedied in the past.

Of course, those actually affected tend to view it as not only legal and necessary but an answer to prayers.

 

[atpollard]

Do you not know that invading another country to kidnap a person is against the law?

So you are saying that it was wrong to bring those Nazis to justice?

 

[KevinThrowe]

I will not sit down to write a list of all the sins I think someone else is doing.

I take up all my extra time examining myself. I suggest you try that as well.

Jess said not to look at the splinter in your neighbors eye while ignoring the log in your own.

I’ll follow the command of my Lord Jesus

Peace to you

[but if Americans souls are part of the mortal sins of some Jesus would want us to help,them.
As to the list that is for those who respect the United States Presidency.

 

[KevinThrowe]

The Venezuelans celebrated in the streets when their "leader" was kidnapped to face Justice. Only the "Peanut Gallery" and other Communist Despots are wringing their hands at this.

You are lamenting the 101 Airborne liberating the people from Death Camps and beating your chest over the unfair death of Hitler (since you like WW2 analogies).

I asked about the believe in salvation. It is a full spectrum of complicity to aiding to resistance. I believe repentance requires effort thus most of the germans did not repent . To many want to act as if our actions do not matter just say I sorry and you get in.

 

[KevinThrowe]

Still waiting for an answer.

Kevin throwe is name dog tags say catholic, still believe in Jesus saying two commandments count . I try hard to do them .thus the concern for the souls of everyman

 

[xlsdraw]

Sounds like you know you have lost the argument.

You follow someone that acts like a dictator and you see not problem with that.

You are a hypocrite. Now answer the question.

 

[Silverhair]

So you are saying that it was wrong to bring those Nazis to justice?

When have I even suggested that?

You really are stretching it now that you have lost your argument.

Invading a country that has not, repeat not attacked you is a crime. The fact that people in the US want the drugs does not give the US the right to invade another country.

Stop the drugs at the border arrest the dealers, that is what can be done inside the US.

 

[Silverhair]

You are a hypocrite. Now answer the question.

imperialist​

NOUN

promoter of empire

The only countries that I se that want to build empires are China, Russia, and of course the USA.

Since I do not live in any of those I do not live in a country with imperialist ambitions.

​

 

[Silverhair]

Correction....you need to say "should be".

The legality issue is shifting sand due to similar instances in the past. Many of the nations calling it "illegal" also have called Maduro's dictatorship illegitimate (which would make the international law supposedly violated not apply).

To illustrate, the difference between Panama and Venezuela is that the US acknowledged elected President rather than Noriega (which was a difference in timing). But both Noriega and Maduro were, internationally, recognized as illegitimate leaders.

Perhaps terms should have been better spelled out in the past.

But as it stands the incident can be viewed either way. Anti-Trump people will view it as illegal, pro-Trump people will view it as legal.

Probably those of us who are neither simply rejoice with Venezuela while questioning both hamstringing the Executive branch and allowing it to operate without checks. That os another problem that should have been remedied in the past.

Of course, those actually affected tend to view it as not only legal and necessary but an answer to prayers.

Be that as it may Jon, the fact that the US invaded another country makes it a crime.

Yes Maduro should have been removed from power but that was the peoples right not the right of the US.

History has shown that when the US get involved it tends to turn out badly.

 

[Ben1445]

Kevin throwe is name dog tags say catholic, still believe in Jesus saying two commandments count . I try hard to do them .thus the concern for the souls of everyman

Thanks for your answer.
Thanks for your service. (I gather your interest has been in the free, no matter what country you served in)
Paul clearly said salvation through grace is the gift of God.


Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[Ben1445]

imperialist​

NOUN

promoter of empire

The only countries that I se that want to build empires are China, Russia, and of course the USA.

Since I do not live in any of those I do not live in a country with imperialist ambitions.

​

Nobody is making Venezuela the 51st state. We’ll hold your place in line.

Seriously, if Venezuela becomes the 51st state, I will welcome them friendlylike and you remind me and I will tell you I was wrong.

Until then can you please turn down the chicken little volume?

 

[Silverhair]

Nobody is making Venezuela the 51st state. We’ll hold your place in line.

Seriously, if Venezuela becomes the 51st state, I will welcome them friendlylike and you remind me and I will tell you I was wrong.

Until then can you please turn down the chicken little volume?

What chicken little volume?

He made a comment in post #80

I was just responding to him pointing out that the only nations I have seen that from are China, Russia, and the USA.

How many countries has he said he thinks need to be part of the US or need to be dealt with?

Ben get your head out of the sand and look listen to what that man has said.

 

[Ben1445]

What chicken little volume?

@xlsdraw asked me a question here

Government murder

Do we get a pass at the gate -for supporting the sinful acts by our government. God says: Ezekiel 18:20, 32 [ESV] "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall...

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And I was just responding to him pointing out that the only nations I have seen that from are China, Russia, and the USA.

How many countries has he said he thinks need to be part of the US or need to be dealt with?

Ben get your head out of the sand and look listen to what that man has said.

You are too easy to troll, or too many of your neighbors like the idea (which is a rumor going around). But if you join us, I would welcome you too. With no hard feelings.