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Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour! 4

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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
I say God so loved the world that anyone can be saved by trusting in the risen Christ, {John 3:16-17} you on the other hand say only those picked out before creation can be saved.
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Thats what you say, not the word of God. Jn 3:16-17 say nowhere close to what you say and believe. And you say Jesus death didnt save anyone, plus you trust in a potential saviour. None of that non sense is scripture or the word of God
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Thats what you say, not the word of God. Jn 3:16-17 say nowhere close to what you say and believe. And you say Jesus death didnt save anyone, plus you trust in a potential saviour. None of that non sense is scripture or the word of God
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BF you are so confused it is amazing that you call yourself a preacher.

Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

How you can read that and think that your view of saved by His death is biblical is shocking to say the least.

1Co 15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
1Co 15:15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

@Brightfame52 the more that you continue to make your false claims the more you prove that the philosophy you follow is wrong.

You even go so far as to deny the word of God when you deny:
Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Your allegiance to calvinism has blinded you to the truth of God's word.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
A person reconciled to God is salvation. and they shall be saved in the future by His Life. Nothing potential here, all facts
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Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, since we have been reconciled, will we be saved by his life?

So by your odd logic we are saved but then we have to be saved again.

The more you try to justify your religion the stranger it gets.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, since we have been reconciled, will we be saved by his life?

So by your odd logic we are saved but then we have to be saved again.

The more you try to justify your religion the stranger it gets.
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Yes to be reconciled to God is to be at peace and favor with Him, that's Salvation. Now how were they reconciled to God in Rom 5:10 ?
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
You have to be quite arrogant to believe that God saw something in your that made you so special that He would pick you out to be saved over all those other sinners.
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Thats you, you teach God saw something special in you, or that you did something special others did not do, that made the difference between saved and lost. Thats pride
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Yes to be reconciled to God is to be at peace and favor with Him, that's Salvation. Now how were they reconciled to God in Rom 5:10 ?
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No BF reconciliation does not mean salvation.

It means that there were obstacles existing on both sides to a reconciliation; and that these have been removed by the death of Christ. The way is open for man to respond in faith to the living Christ.

That is the message we see in
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

BF you have yet to show how one is saved through reconciliation rather than through faith in the risen Christ.

What the bible is clear on is that we are saved by His life.
1Co 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

BF you continue to misread the bible because you think it has to support Augustine's false philosophy from the 4th century.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Thats you, you teach God saw something special in you, or that you did something special others did not do, that made the difference between saved and lost. Thats pride
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I listened to the gospel message and realized that I was a sinner bound for hell just like every other sinner because of that sin.

I humbled myself and asked God to forgive me of those sins just as the tax collector of
Luk 18:13 "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!'

Pride would say it is my faith that saved me but it is not my faith but the risen Christ that saved because I repented and called out to Him for my salvation.

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."

The bible is clear BF. We have to call on Him in faith B4 we are saved

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;


You on the other hand show your arrogance in thinking that you were so special that God picked you out of all those sinners B4 creation.

What made you so special BF.

According to calviism could you ever be lost BF? Not according to the calvinist philosophy you could not. So it is not Christ or faith that saves you but the fact you were pick out.

Your calvinist teachers even say as much;

“A man is not saved because he believes in Christ; he believes in Christ because he is saved”. [L. Boettner The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination, Page 75]

Your whole philosophy is flawed and distorts the word and character of God.
 
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Psalty

Active Member
Silverhair said:
I listened to the gospel message and realized that I was a sinner bound for hell just like every other sinner because of that sin.

I humbled myself and asked God to forgive me of those sins just as the tax collector of
Luk 18:13 "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!'

Pride would say it is my faith that saved me but it is not my faith but the risen Christ that saved because I repented and called out to Him for my salvation.

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."

The bible is clear BF. We have to call on Him in faith B4 we are saved

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;


You on the other hand show your arrogance in thinking that you were so special that God picked you out of all those sinners B4 creation.

What made you so special BF.

According to calviism could you ever be lost BF? Not according to the calvinist philosophy you could not. So it is not Christ or faith that saves you but the fact you were pick out.

Your calvinist teachers even say as much;

“A man is not saved because he believes in Christ; he believes in Christ because he is saved”. [L. Boettner The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination, Page 75]

Your whole philosophy is flawed and distorts the word and character of God.
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Well stated!
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
No BF reconciliation does not mean salvation.
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Yes it does, the reconciled are in a right relationship with God, one of peace. So to them belongs the Gospel of peace Rom 10:15

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

This was accomplished at the Cross Col 1 20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Isa 52 7

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

You dont know the Gospel friend nor the accomplishments of Christs death
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
I listened to the gospel message and realized that I was a sinner bound for hell just like every other sinner because of that sin.

I humbled myself and asked God to forgive me of those sins just as the tax collector of
Luk 18:13 "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!'
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Notice the focus is on what you did, nothing about what Christ did to save His People from their sins. The tax collector didnt use the word I one time, but the pharisee did, you seem to be more in the pattern of the pharisee with your I did this, I did that.
 
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