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Good, keep going.
Keep knocking. Keep telling Jesus you love Him.
The connection built by the bonds love.
Every day you are faithfully there at the Cross at the greatest expression of Jesus Love.
Ascetic X
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Can you give us scripture to support your claim that we should use angels and command them? Any examples of this being done in Acts?
Not in Acts, but in Psalm 103 we pray, “Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!” (Ps. 103:20–21). And in the opening verses of Psalms 148 we pray, “Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!”l
Have you prayed the Psalms? If so, you have commanded Angels as David did. I pray the Psalms each day in saying the Daily Office as many Catholics, Anglicans, Orthodox and Lutherans.
Ben1445
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Telling them to praise the Lord is nothing like telling them to take care of our immediate needs.
Well, first y'all claim they should be told NOTHING. Now you concede there IS scripture that contradicts your claims but assume that must exclude any earthly help.
Any scripture to support we can’t command the Angels?
I tell the angels to do things all the time. See a news report of something bad, I tell the Holy Angels flood the place to comfort help those suffering.
When seeing loved ones off I send angels to guard and protect them, to go before them and after them.
The guy on the Harley that crashed, an angel was there, saved his life, not a scratch. Street ministry angels used constantly.
Those sick and far away, I send angels to comfort them.
I don’t think you fully appreciate the scale of the inheritance, as Heirs we command the butlers and footmen of the whole estate.
If they complain to the Father of the house, He will say “ Don’t you know this is my son and heir who knows my mind, do as he tells you “
Our enemies command the fallen angels, they use them to afflict and torture.
So as Heirs of the Kingdom, say to one Angel come and he comes, say to another Angel go and he goes.
Ascetic X
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The psalmist tells angels, sun, moon, stars, sea creatures, lightning, hail, snow, clouds, winds, mountains, hills, trees, birds to praise the Lord.
But that does not mean we can command all of them to meet our needs or to obey us. It means we love God so much, we want all creation to honor and exalt Him.
Psalm 148
Praise the Lord from the heavens;
praise him in the heights above.
2 Praise him, all his angels;
praise him, all his heavenly hosts.
3 Praise him, sun and moon;
praise him, all you shining stars.
4 Praise him, you highest heavens
and you waters above the skies.
5 Let them praise the name of the Lord,
for at his command they were created,
6 and he established them for ever and ever—
he issued a decree that will never pass away.
7 Praise the Lord from the earth,
you great sea creatures and all ocean depths,
8 lightning and hail, snow and clouds,
stormy winds that do his bidding,
9 you mountains and all hills,
fruit trees and all cedars,
10 wild animals and all cattle,
small creatures and flying birds,
Ascetic X
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As usual brother, you reply with personal opinions, not scripture verses.
Usurping the role of God by telling angels what to do is not a biblical practice.
You have not shown us where commanding angels was done in Acts. None of the gospels or church epistles say anything about us commanding angels. Of course, the church epistles also make no mention of praying to mother Mary or to dead saints.
Catholics have many good qualities, but they seem to think Jesus is not enough. They add to Jesus all kinds of superstitions, rosaries, medallions, relics, visions, icons, talismans, statues, holy water, scapulars, candle burnings, and such. Burying a figurine of St. Joseph upside down to hasten the sale of a house, etc.
These alleged supplements to faith are actually distractions from faith. If we trust God, we pray and believe His promises in scripture, without needing all these dubious add-ons.
God commands the angels and assigns them projects. We are not in charge of them. We go directly to the Father in the name of His Son and make our requests. God decides how to provide for our needs.
Thinking we can command angels is a slippery slope potentially leading to worshiping angels and losing sight of the One far above them all.
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Yes it's Biblical. Satan told the Lord he couldn't get to Job for the hedge built around him.
But that hedge didn't come from the command of Job, it came from the Lord.
We make our requests known to the Lord, not the angels.
Lucifer saw pathetic man was to receive the inheritance and he said in his pride “ I will not serve “.
He would not serve man as the Heir of the Kingdom.
Michaels response was to say “ Who is like unto God? “
The answer is, Man is like unto God.
We were made in God’s image and likeness.
The whole celestial and cosmic war has been fought over whether man should be received and served as sons and heirs of the Kingdom.
The fallen angels will not serve man, but the. Holy Angels will accept and serve the heirs, they were created for this.
He would not serve man as the Heir of the Kingdom.
Michaels response was to say “ Who is like unto God? “
The answer is, Man is like unto God.
We were made in God’s image and likeness.
The whole celestial and cosmic war has been fought over whether man should be received and served as sons and heirs of the Kingdom.
The fallen angels will not serve man, but the. Holy Angels will accept and serve the heirs, they were created for this.
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I agree with most of what you say. But the angels serve the Lord's purpose not man's.
At times all of us face the fact of the "hedge" being lowered and Satan can get to us.
It serves the Lord's purpose in our testing of the faith to make us stronger or reveal we are not where we should be.
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There are times when I have great difficulty in understanding why bad things happen to God's people.
The Lord allows it or it wouldn't happen and angels have a hand in some of it.
I don't understand it but it all works in the Lord's purpose for good in some way.
“Lest you dash your foot against a rock “
Sounds like angels are concerned about immediate and relatively trivial needs.
Ascetic X
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To love, praise, and obey God in the midst of severe trials and troubles is advanced spirituality that few probably achieve. When horrible cataclysmic tragedies occur to us, we are tempted to abandon our faith, turn sour and gloomy, and get angry at God.
Job 13:15 rings clear and loud in my mind quite often.
Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him…
Well said! How many of us would be singing hymns and praising the Lord while locked fast in the stocks in prison for our faith as was Paul?
Ascetic X
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Since that verse contradicts what you claim, let me quote it to you now. Notice who is commanding the angels. Not us, but God.
We call upon God, we do not boss the angels around.
Psalm 91:11,12,15
For He will command His angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways.
They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
You not understand or appreciate the inheritance you are given as Heir of the Kingdom.
The Heir is not a usurper, the Heir is the legitimate successor
"And if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ " Rom 8:17
You are still thinking like you are the illegitimate street urchin you were before you were born again in Christ Jesus.
You were born again to a great inheritance, you are the legitimate Heir of God, joint Heir with Christ.
What is His is yours, do you understand this, do you understand the magnitude of this.
The Heir is not a usurper when he commands the staff, he is Heir and must act like it.
Ascetic X
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Once again, no scripture saying we can use and command angels to do our bidding.
Why is it not sufficient to go directly to God the Father and let Him decide how to bless us?
The magnitude of our inheritance in Christ is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Yes but in the New Covenant Kingdom, we are made joint heirs with Christ.
We have run of the house, with and because of Christ.
The least in the Kingdom is greater than the greatest of the old covenant.
You are Heir, the staff are subordinate to you.
You don’t like something happening out on the estate, sent the staff and the hounds out there to sort it out.