Dominion vs determinism

[KenH]

There is your error Ken. Those words are not in the text, they were added.

Just ignore the supplied words, then, the meaning is still exactly the same.

"willing in the day of Thy power", not their power, God's power.

No one is made a volunteer.

They are in this case, as no fallen child of Adam would volunteer by their own power.

 

[Silverhair]

God did not believe for me, but I only believe because of His power in making me willing to believe. I did not somehow well it up from within my own fallen flesh.

According to the philosophy that you follow God had to give you faith so you could believe. That is Him believing for you.

As you said He had to make you believe.

 

[Silverhair]

Just ignore the supplied words, then, the meaning is still exactly the same.

"willing in the day of Thy power", not their power, God's power.



They are in this case, as no fallen child of Adam would volunteer by their own power.

Yes they volunteer. That is free will Ken. So it is the opposite of God making them do it.

The Greek text does not support your view Ken.

 

[KenH]

God is the cause of our salvation as a result of us fulfilling all the conditions of our salvation, faith in His risen son.

You are wrong.

Christ is the cause of the salvation of His people. He saves them. They don't save themselves.

He fulfilled all of the conditions for their salvation. No fallen child of Adam can lift a pinky finger to effect his own salvation.

 

[Psalty]

Your rantings continue to remind me of that song that posted in my post #207 above.

Someone who resorts to insults and comedy without actually answering stuff shows how weak their position is. Keep demonstrating your ranting!

 

[Psalty]

You can call yourself a sovereign grace Baptist but you still hold to calvinist philosophy.

A calvinist by any other name is still a calvinist.

Wasn’t sovereign grace that group of non-cessationists Calvinists that went through a major split over sexual immorality in the leadership? I remember on of those churches in my region unaffilliated with them over that scandal.

 

[Psalty]

The gospel of Christ is from the Bible, not confessions written by men.

Funny that you let confessions dictate how you understand the bible. Early christians never believed calvinism… well they did, but they were heretical.

 

[KenH]

You will have to take that up with Christ as He disagrees with your view

I suggest that your argument is ultimately with God, not me. But I will pass along to you something that was written long ago, that your arms are too short to box with God.

 

[Psalty]

You are wrong.

Christ is the cause of the salvation of His people. He saves them. They don't save themselves.

He fulfilled all of the conditions for their salvation. No fallen child of Adam can lift a pinky finger to effect his own salvation.

Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
— John 6:28-29

 

[KenH]

That is calvinism 101 again Ken.

It is what you God's Word teaches, regardless of some label you or anyone else might attach to it.

 

[Psalty]

Yes. God made me willing to do.

Psalm 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of Thy power.

The Ken KJV:

Psalm 110:3 Thy people shall be ((made)) willing ((by Thee)) in the day of Thy power.

 

[KenH]

According to the philosophy that you follow God had to give you faith so you could believe. That is Him believing for you.

God did not believe for me, but I only believe because of His power in making me willing to believe. I did not somehow well it up from within my own fallen flesh.

 

[Silverhair]

You are wrong.

Christ is the cause of the salvation of His people. He saves them. They don't save themselves.

He fulfilled all of the conditions for their salvation. No fallen child of Adam can lift a pinky finger to effect his own salvation.

Ken have I ever said we save ourselves, NO I have not.

But what I have said and the bible is clear about is that God saves those that believe in His risen son.

If we do not fulfill God's condition for salvation then we will not be saved.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

 

[KenH]

That is free will Ken.

No, it is not, at least not in the sense that one can believe before the Holy Spirit regenerates them.

No one believes until after the Holy Spirit regenerates. That is what the God's Word teaches...and that settles it.

 

[Silverhair]

It is what you God's Word teaches, regardless of some label you or anyone else might attach to it.

No it is a false teaching that Augustine brought into the church in the 4th century and Calvin etc carried forward. Do the research yourself and see that many of the views you hold are actually based on pagan teachings.

 

[KenH]

Wasn’t sovereign grace that group of non-sensation is Calvinists that went through a major split over sexual immorality in the leadership? I remember on of those churches in my region unaffilliated with them over that scandal.

The sovereign grace church with whom I fellowship is not part of any such group as that. Might be more accurate to say that I am an independent sovereign grace Baptist.

 

[Silverhair]

Ken at the end of the day it comes down to were you saved because you are one of the elect or because you freely trusted in God's risen son.

 

[KenH]

Funny that you let confessions dictate how you understand the bible.

I do no such thing. You don't see me advocating for any man-made confessions, just God's Word.

 

[KenH]

Early christians never believed calvinism

What the early Christians believed, is what I believe. There is only one gospel of Christ. Anything else is a false gospel.

Galatians 1:6-9
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[KenH]

John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

"This is the work of God".

Whose work? God's work!

Whose work? GOD'S work!!

Whose work? GOD'S WORK!!!