Finding the right definition of a word in the Greek

[Martin Marprelate]

What would be better would be to address why more than 3 English words are used to convey essentially 2 word meanings, finish and fulfill?

Why translate the same word meaning into more than one or two English words or phrases?

The English language has more words in it than any other, and around twice as many as koine Greek.
Therefore, when one attempts to translate from Greek into English, one usually has a choice of which English word to use, each with a different shade of meaning. The context is what will determine choice.

While the above is true, it does not hold good for every word. There are three Greek words which can be translated as 'love:' philia, agape and eros, although the latter does not occur in the New Testament. Again, the context will help, but an authority as well-known as Don Carson tells us that philia and eros are synonyms - that there is no difference between them.

 

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While the above is true, it does not hold good for every word. There are three Greek words which can be translated as 'love:' philia, agape and eros, although the latter does not occur in the New Testament. Again, the context will help, but an authority as well-known as Don Carson tells us that philia and eros are synonyms - that there is no difference between them.

1 Corinthians 16:22, If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Philei is used.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

The English language has more words in it than any other, and around twice as many as koine Greek.
Therefore, when one attempts to translate from Greek into English, one usually has a choice of which English word to use, each with a different shade of meaning. The context is what will determine choice.

While the above is true, it does not hold good for every word. There are three Greek words which can be translated as 'love:' philia, agape and eros, although the latter does not occur in the New Testament. Again, the context will help, but an authority as well-known as Don Carson tells us that philia and eros are synonyms - that there is no difference between them.

I'm sorry! I goofed! Don Carson says that philia and agape are synonymous. Sorry!

 

[Van]

Why does this poster continue to trot out his nonsense, even after he has been corrected.
Of course, John 3:19; Romans 3:11; 1 Cor. 2:14 all support @JesusFan.
Luke 24:13 reads: 'Now behold, two of them were travelling that same day to a village called Emmaeus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem.' I'm not sure what that has to say about anyone seeking the Narrow Door.
Perhaps this poster is thinking of Luke 13:24. If so, then he has previously been told simply to look at the next verse to find out the time context of the verse, but unfortunately, this poster will not consider anything that contradicts his own theories. Proverbs 14:7 applies to the rest of us.

1) I hope forum leadership notes I have not attacked anyone, but have attacked Calvinism. However, the Calvinists are at it again, attacking me rather than my views.

2) Luke 13:24 reads: “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

3) The claim Luke 13:25 closed the narrow gate is absurd, the command is for the lost to strive now. To claim no one now seeks the Narrow Door or Gate is absurd. See Matthew 7:14.

4) The citation of Proverbs 14:7 is yet another personal attack.

 

[Van]

The English language has more words in it than any other, and around twice as many as koine Greek.
Therefore, when one attempts to translate from Greek into English, one usually has a choice of which English word to use, each with a different shade of meaning. The context is what will determine choice.

While the above is true, it does not hold good for every word. There are three Greek words which can be translated as 'love:' philia, agape and eros, although the latter does not occur in the New Testament. Again, the context will help, but an authority as well-known as Don Carson tells us that philia and eros are synonyms - that there is no difference between them.

1) Just because a gun is loaded does not mean it should be shot.

2) Yes, one the intended meaning of a word or phrase is determined from those consistent with the historical-grammatical meaning, a number of English words or phrased, each a synonym could be used. But the issue is to use the same synonym each time the same word or phrase meaning is determined.

3) Yes the same meaning can be intended using different Greek words or phrases. So one synonym could be used for on of the original language words, and another synonym for the other.

4) Yes, our translations sometimes mistranslate, such as begotten for unique, but over time we can continue the process of correction.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

1) I hope forum leadership notes I have not attacked anyone, but have attacked Calvinism. However, the Calvinists are at it again, attacking me rather than my views.

The problem here is that this poster's views are unique to him in most cases. Therefore an attack on his views is inevitably an attack on him. Also, the fact that he refuses to listen to anyone else but continues to trot out the same old stuff is very frustrating. Also, if he could find it in himself to be more pleasant to those who disagree with him, it might be reciprocated.

2) Luke 13:24 reads: “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

3) The claim Luke 13:25 closed the narrow gate is absurd, the command is for the lost to strive now. To claim no one now seeks the Narrow Door or Gate is absurd. See Matthew 7:14.

Luke 13:25. 'Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, "Sir, open the door for us."' Clearly this is a parable. Who is the owner of the house? God is. The gate of heaven - repentance and faith - is wide open today. All those who repent and trust in Christ for salvation will be saved. But when Christ returns, it will be too late; the door will be locked. Therefore we read in 2 Cor. 6:2. 'I tell you, now is the time of God's favour; now is the day of salvation.' And in Heb. 4:3 (quoting Psalm 95:11). 'Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.' Therefore our Lord warns His hearers, "Strive to enter through the narrow gate!" In Noah's day, the door of the ark was open while the animals came in, drawn irresistibly by God. But no humans would come save Noah and his family. Then we read, 'And the LORD shut Noah in' (Gen. 7:16). It was too late for those outside. And I bet that as the rain came down in stair-rods and the fountains of the great deep were broken up, the people of that time ran to the ark and knocked and pleaded, "Sir, open the door for us!" But it will be all too late. The message of the ark, and the message of Luke 13:25 is this: 'I tell you, now is the time of God's favour; now is the day of salvation.' But the fact is that men and women will not do so, not because God prevents them, but because they have wicked unbelieving hearts. I referenced John 3:19; Romans 3:11; 1 Cor. 2:14 earlier, but there are all sorts of texts in the O.T. also. Have a read of Jeremiah 6:16-17, for example

Now I wrote most of this in a post two or three months ago, and @Van blithely ignored it. I can't keep on writing the same thing over and over again.

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4) The citation of Proverbs 14:7 is yet another personal attack.

It is a word of advice, and one which I intend to heed. @Van is going on 'ignore' and someone else will have to correct his nonsense.