Was the Sun, Moon, and Stars actually created on the fourth day of Creation...

[percho]

Assuming a host of arbitrary presuppositions to be true.

Here is what we're told:
Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. So God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night, and also the stars. - Genesis 1:14-16 LSB

On the fourth day, God made the stars to give light upon the earth, and it was so.

But you say, Oh no, that can't be so because we 'know' so much more now than they did back then.

Does it say God created them at that moment or that God made them, at that moment, to rule?

 

[percho]

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 1 John

Καὶ αὕτη ἔστιν ἡ ἐπαγγελία ἣν ἀκηκόαμεν ἀπ᾽ αὐτοῦ καὶ ἀναγγέλλομεν ὑμῖν ὅτι ὁ θεὸς φῶς ἐστιν καὶ σκοτία ἐν αὐτῷ οὐκ ἔστιν οὐδεμία

That the God light is.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

because God who said, Out of darkness light to shine, From 2 Cor 4:6 I took out the words in italic.

Was that light of Genesis 1:3,4 God showing his presence upon an earth of darkness standing in the water and out of the water? If the light was good, was the darkness also that good? Consider 1 John 1:5 Does that light of Genesis 1:3.4 represent God on the earth? What about the darkness? Is it the darkness of this age that also has a god of this age? Do we see the same of light and darkness in the following/

to open their eyes, to turn from darkness to light, and the authority of the Adversary [Satan] unto God, for their receiving forgiveness of sins, and a lot among those having been sanctified, by faith that is toward me. Acts 26:18


Is what's taking place in Gen 1 :2-30 the down laying of the system [kosmos] through which Acts 26:18 could become a reality? Is, Let there be light a reaction to darkness ie Satan on the earth?

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

Had the sin of the devil, Satan, caused the earth to become without form and void and darkness on the face of the deep, ie standing in the water and out of the water?

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Gen 1:1 In beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Peter 3:6,7 YLT through which the then world, by water having been deluged, was destroyed; and the present heavens and the earth [Gen 1:2-30], by the same word are treasured, for fire being kept to a day of judgment and destruction of the impious men.

Probably should have started a new thread. Oh well.

 

[37818]

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So we aren’t really living in the present. This is all a projection of what has already happened?

We can only live in our present. Distant things are in our past.

 

[37818]

Does it say God created them at that moment or that God made them, at that moment, to rule?

God made them to be lights.

 

[37818]

So we aren’t really living in the present. This is all a projection of what has already happened?

Biblically we can only live in our present.

The Genesis creation is literally true.

 

[37818]

So we aren’t really living in the present. This is all a projection of what has already happened?

Wrong. Everyone lives in their present.

 

[Ben1445]

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We can only live in our present. Distant things are in our past.

You are the one who said

what we see as our known universe may have already came to it's end.

So our universe is already come to its end??

Your idea.

 

[Ben1445]

God made them to be lights.

Genesis 1:16
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.


It doesn’t say He added light to them. It says He made them.

 

[Aaron]

Does it say God created them at that moment or that God made them, at that moment, to rule?

Let there be...

They came into being.

 

[Aaron]

Of course it was really. It might not now exist. Because what we see as our known universe may have already came to it's end.

Psalm 90:2, Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Revelation 20:11, And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

You're going to have to do better defining your terms. What are you calling the universe?

 

[37818]

So our universe is already come to its end??

Revelation 20:11, And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

When does that end come?
Our distant visible universe is in our past before our Biblical creation.
When the universe comes to its end per Revelation 20:11.
Our end of the universe will be in our now when it occurs.

 

[Aaron]

Revelation 20:11, And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

When does that end come?
Our distant visible universe is in our past before our Biblical creation.
When the universe comes to its end per Revelation 20:11.
Our end of the universe will be in our now when it occurs.

You have quite an imagination, Einsten. Was this one of your 'thought experiments'?

 

[37818]

You have quite an imagination, Einsten. Was this one of your 'thought experiments'?

It has to do with the limitation of the speed of light is finite.

 

[Aaron]

It has to do with the limitation of the speed of light is finite.

I think you meant to say the speed of light is constant and is the speed limit of the universe. And it might be. Presuming Creation was no supernatural act, that notion would seem to provide a difficulty.

Did you know one could postulate a spherical universe rotating around a stationary earth at it's center, and you couldn't prove it wrong scientifically? You could only object to it on the basis of philosophy? Not only that, it could be explained using the same theories of Relativity. That means c could take on values many of orders of magnitude above 299,792,458 m/s.

Which it would have to do the nearer the edge of the universe a body exists, because it would be making one full revolution every 24 earth hours.

Are you sure 'established science' compels you to imagine something other than what we're obviously told happened on the Fourth Day?

 

[Armchair Apologist]

I think you meant to say the speed of light is constant and is the speed limit of the universe. And it might be. Presuming Creation was no supernatural act, that notion would seem to provide a difficulty.

Did you know one could postulate a spherical universe rotating around a stationary earth at it's center, and you couldn't prove it wrong scientifically? You could only object to it on the basis of philosophy? Not only that, it could be explained using the same theories of Relativity. That means c could take on values many of orders of magnitude above 299,792,458 m/s.

Which it would have to do the nearer the edge of the universe a body exists, because it would be making one full revolution every 24 earth hours.

Are you sure 'established science' compels you to imagine something other than what we're obviously told happened on the Fourth Day?

I believe we can confidently say that God is sovereign over every "law of physics" that he has set in place and by which scientists observe and understand the universe as we know it today. On the third day, God created all of the plant life including fully matured sequoia trees. If you were Adam and for grins and giggles, you decided on the sixth day to cut down one of these sequoias, how many "growth rings" do you suppose he would count? What would these growth rings tell you?

In the very same manner that we observe the sequoia tree, I would observe the stars in the sky and understand that God created those stars along with the photons from these stars reaching "Planet Earth" on the very day in which they were created!

I guess we could discuss the implications of the Crab Nebula which was a "Super Nova" event that took place in AD 1054 but is 6,500 light-years away meaning that the cosmic event actually took place in BC 5446 meaning that according to a "Young Earth" timeline, the event took place either during or shortly after the creation and if God created the Crab Nebula as is observed today, why did he not make it visible to "Planet Earth" until AD 1054? Fun fact: AD 1054 is also the year of the "Great Schism!"

Are there any other astronomical events such as this that are many thousands or millions of light-years from earth and have only recently (during recorded history) become visible to the inhabitants of "Planet Earth?"