JESUS body has received No DNA from Mary.

[Eliyahu]

I may have missed your answer -
but when you quoted Mat 1:20 (in English) (in post # 1)
What version were you using?

Basically I don't rely on any translation but use TR and Ben Chayyim Masoretic Text arranged by Ginzburg in Hebrew.
Question: Do you think the body of Jesus resembled 50% Mary and 50% God?
You must remember these aspects of Mary:
1) Mary couldn't understand what Jesus said ( Luke 2:50)
2) Mary couldn't answer the question asked by Jesus ( John 2:4)
3) Mary didn't believe Jesus would be resurrected and therefore she went to the tomb with the spice and ointment ( Luke 24:10, Mark 16:1)
4) Mary required somebody to sustain her
5) Mary was not among the crowd listening to the sermon by Jesus, to the Word of God.
6) This is very much crucial and important aspect of Mary:
Mary attempted to capture Jesus so that she may stop Him from His ministry and therefore Jesus told her and to the crowd <<< Who is my mother?>> Read Mark 3:21, 31-35, Mt 12:46-50
KJV translated < Hoi para auto> as His friends in Mark 3:21, but Hoi Para auto means Those who live together with Him under the same roof, which means Family, and those family went out to capture Him, not because they thought Jesus was mad, but because the neighbors criticized He is mad. This is why I don't rely on KJV.

So, in verse 31, they reach the place where Jesus was preaching and told someone that they want to speak to Jesus. Jesus knew their intention even before they started from their home, and therefore He said
<<<<
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother>>>>

Jesus disobeyed Mary and completely ignored her, in opposition to the claims by Catholics who say < Jesus will obey His mother all the time, otherwise, He will be in contradiction to His commandment of Honor thy mother> ( CCC 2678-79)
So, Mary attempted to commit the horrendous sin against God by preventing Him from preaching the Gospel and Salvation.

7) Remember this < Gennao> verb appeared 40 times in Matthew chapter 1, 39 times it is translated into begot, but only once in verse 20, it is translated into conceived. If a surrogate mother is pregnant by IVF, with an embryo from other couple, then the surrogate mother has conceived a baby, one can say, even though her egg or ovum was not used at all. Such conception of Conceive is used in Luke 1:31, 2:21 as Conceive doesn't care of Biological or Surrogate.

8) You must remember Mary was born from the earth, while Jesus was born from Heaven.
Mary belongs to the race of Adam, while Jesus is the Last Adam or Second Adam
Read 1 Cor 15:
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Mary belongs to Adam's Race, but Jesus belongs to Heaven

Do you think the brain cells of Jesus resembled 50% Mary and 50% God?
I don't think so.


Eliyahu

 

[Salty]

Basically I don't rely on any translation but use TR and Ben Chayyim Masoretic Text arranged by Ginzburg in Hebrew.



Eliyahu

So you don't know what translation you used?

 

[rockytopva]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... All mass is basically cooled plasma... It would take quite the mind to create living organisms out of plasma energy!

Atoms - Encapsulated forms of energy and light - C2 in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy!
Cells - Trillions of atoms within a single cell
Body - Trillions of cells in a human body

God created Christ Jesus in a virgins womb by his own creative power. In which only he could do. There was no word on how he did all of that... Only...

A virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. - Isaiah 7:14

 

[Mike B]

A virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. - Isaiah 7:14

The Lord said it, and that's good enough for me. How He did it is irrelevant, IMO.

We humans sure do like to complicate things.

 

[Eliyahu]

So you don't know what translation you used?

Couldn't you understand what I stated?
I said this <<<<< Basically I don't rely on any translation but use TR and Ben Chayyim Masoretic Text arranged by Ginzburg in Hebrew.>>>>
I read Greek TR and Hebrew Masora, why should I rely on the translations?
I have read Greek NT completely 5 times, and Hebrew OT 3 times, though I refer to the translations like KJV, YLT, Darby, HCSB, even Peshitta Aramaic NT sometimes.
Translations are not my authority but the Greek NT and Hebrew OT are.

Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

God created Christ Jesus in a virgins womb by his own creative power. In which only he could do. There was no word on how he did all of that... Only...

A virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. - Isaiah 7:14

When did God create Christ Jesus ? Was Jesus a creature of God?

Eliyahu

 

[rockytopva]

When did God create Christ Jesus ? Was Jesus a creature of God?

Eliyahu

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. - John 17:5
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. - John 8:58

 

[Eliyahu]

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. - John 17:5
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. - John 8:58

You are correct. But you said this:
<<< God created Christ Jesus in a virgins womb by his own creative power>>>
Where is the previous body of Jesus gone when God created Jesus in the virgin womb?

Eliyahu

 

[rockytopva]

You are correct. But you said this:
<<< God created Christ Jesus in a virgins womb by his own creative power>>>
Where is the previous body of Jesus gone when God created Jesus in the virgin womb?

Eliyahu

Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? - Isaiah 40:13

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... All mass is basically cooled plasma... It would take quite the mind to create living organisms out of plasma energy!

Atoms - Encapsulated forms of energy and light - C2 in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy!
Cells - Trillions of atoms within a single cell
Body - Trillions of cells in a human body

A virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. - Isaiah 7:14

God took a virgin and created a son. With all the trillions of cells involved would he have liked to have sat down and explained all of that?

 

[Eliyahu]

Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? - Isaiah 40:13

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... All mass is basically cooled plasma... It would take quite the mind to create living organisms out of plasma energy!

Atoms - Encapsulated forms of energy and light - C2 in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy!
Cells - Trillions of atoms within a single cell
Body - Trillions of cells in a human body

A virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. - Isaiah 7:14

God took a virgin and created a son. With all the trillions of cells involved would he have liked to have sat down and explained all of that?

Jesus could be even faster than the light speed.
God took a virgin and insert the existing human embryo into her, and He can come out of a woman.
In case of the surrogate mother, there is no problem with the prophecy.
1) This relates to the question since when the Body of Jesus has existed.
Jesus said < Before Abraham was, I AM> The brain of Jesus telling this truth must have existed before Abraham was, and the same brain of Jesus at the time of Abraham and that at the time of Jesus speaking to the Jews was telling < I AM> If a new brain was formed by the fertilization between Ovum of Mary and Sperm given by God, then the new brain would not have such memory.
2) Another point is that a certain prototype Body should have existed for creating the body of Adam in Genesis 1:27.
Whose body was used? Holy Spirit? He has no body, God the Father? In general God the Father no flesh ( John 4:24), though He has the throne. Bible clearly says that Jesus was the Prototokos of all creation in Col 1:15 and He is the Creator of all things ( Col 1:16-18, John 1:1-3). So, I believe Jesus was the prototype of Adam's body.

3) Genesis 18:1-8 tells us Jehovah appeared to Abraham and ate the meal provided by Abraham.
He ate Bread, Cake, Milk, Butter, Veal meat, and got His feet washed and spoke with Sarah as well and heard what she whispered.
It was not a dream, nor any Simulacrum but it was an actual life. God used His body. Whose body was used? God the Holy Spirit? God the Father? God the Son? Yes, because no other Godhead is mentioned for that encounter but Jesus said clearly John 8:56-58 <<<<
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.>>>>

No other Godhead is mentioned about Abraham

4) 1 Cor 15:45-47 mentions First Adam and Another Adam or Last Adam- Jesus
Mary belongs to First Adam, Jesus doesn't belong to First Adam. If Jesus had taken anything from Mary, genetically, He must be a combination between the First Adam and the Celestial Being like the Nephilim which was condemned by God.
But simply speaking Mary belonged to the first Adam which was passed with the death ( Romans 5:12)
while Jesus came down from the Heaven ( John 6:38)

So, both Mary and Jesus are clearly separated.

Eliyahu

 

[John of Japan]

This has to be the most bizarre thread ever. Does no one here know the doctrine of the hypostatic union, agreed on over 1600 years ago by all orthodox theologians? Don't look at me; I don't plan to post beyond this. Don't have time. I'll just keep lurking and shaking my head.

P.S. Gennao (γεννάω) does not occur 40 times in Matthew 1, but only 16. And there are other errors here.

 

[David Lamb]

Jesus could be even faster than the light speed.
God took a virgin and insert the existing human embryo into her, and He can come out of a woman.

Not according to the Bible. There, we read that Mary would conceive in her womb, not that God would insert an already-exiisting embryo into her womb:

Luk 1:30 Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
Luk 1:31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.

In case of the surrogate mother, there is no problem with the prophecy.

She was not a surrogate mother. Prophecy says that a virgin would conceive. A surrogate mother doesn't conceive; she hosts an already-existing embryo.

1) This relates to the question since when the Body of Jesus has existed.
Jesus said < Before Abraham was, I AM> The brain of Jesus telling this truth must have existed before Abraham was, and the same brain of Jesus at the time of Abraham and that at the time of Jesus speaking to the Jews was telling < I AM> If a new brain was formed by the fertilization between Ovum of Mary and Sperm given by God, then the new brain would not have such memory.

When Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, II am," He was no more saying that He had a physical body before Abraham than when God the Father said to Moses:

NKJV Exo 3:14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

2) Another point is that a certain prototype Body should have existed for creating the body of Adam in Genesis 1:27.

Why was a prototype body needed for creating Adam's body? You might just as well claim that a prototype sun was needed before God could create the actual sun, but such things are just limiting God.

Whose body was used? Holy Spirit? He has no body, God the Father? In general God the Father no flesh ( John 4:24), though He has the throne. Bible clearly says that Jesus was the Prototokos of all creation in Col 1:15 and He is the Creator of all things ( Col 1:16-18, John 1:1-3). So, I believe Jesus was the prototype of Adam's body.

3) Genesis 18:1-8 tells us Jehovah appeared to Abraham and ate the meal provided by Abraham.
He ate Bread, Cake, Milk, Butter, Veal meat, and got His feet washed and spoke with Sarah as well and heard what she whispered.
It was not a dream, nor any Simulacrum but it was an actual life. God used His body. Whose body was used? God the Holy Spirit? God the Father? God the Son? Yes, because no other Godhead is mentioned for that encounter but Jesus said clearly John 8:56-58 <<<<
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.>>>>

No other Godhead is mentioned about Abraham

Yes, there are certainly Theophanies or Christophanies (pre-incarnate appearances of Christ) in the Old Testament, just as we have instances of angels, which are spiritual beings, appearing in bodily form. A Christophany is not the same is incarnation. The New Testament makes clear that Christ did not come in a pre-existing body:

NKJV Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.

4) 1 Cor 15:45-47 mentions First Adam and Another Adam or Last Adam- Jesus
Mary belongs to First Adam, Jesus doesn't belong to First Adam. If Jesus had taken anything from Mary, genetically, He must be a combination between the First Adam and the Celestial Being like the Nephilim which was condemned by God.
But simply speaking Mary belonged to the first Adam which was passed with the death ( Romans 5:12)
while Jesus came down from the Heaven ( John 6:38)

So, both Mary and Jesus are clearly separated.

That is not what the Bible tells us. Because Mary became pregnant by the operation of the Holy Spirit, Jesus was born without being what the Bible calls "in Adam."

Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

This has to be the most bizarre thread ever. Does no one here know the doctrine of the hypostatic union, agreed on over 1600 years ago by all orthodox theologians? Don't look at me; I don't plan to post beyond this. Don't have time. I'll just keep lurking and shaking my head.

P.S. Gennao (γεννάω) does not occur 40 times in Matthew 1, but only 16. And there are other errors here.

You can be quiet. I won't wake you up! Matthew chapter 1 has 40 times of gennao. I hope you can count more than 16. Count it again!
All begat is translated from gennao verb. Begat means gave birth to.
Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

Not according to the Bible. There, we read that Mary would conceive in her womb, not that God would insert an already-exiisting embryo into her womb:

Luk 1:30 Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
Luk 1:31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.//]

When a surrogate mother got pregnant with a human embryo provided by another couple, by IVF, what do you call her pregnancy? She is conceived! So, Conceived doesn't distinguish between Biological mother and the surrogate mother!
So, you are claiming the body and the brain of Jesus was newly created in the womb of Mary?
What you are saying is that the brain of Jesus started to exist only after He was born out of Mary but still remember the actual experience with Abraham 2000 years earlier and eternity before.

She was not a surrogate mother. Prophecy says that a virgin would conceive. A surrogate mother doesn't conceive; she hosts an already-existing embryo.//]

Surrogate mother Conceive! when the embryo settles on the uterus! You misunderstand my points as if I deny the Virgin conceived a child. You may be claiming the Virgin create a baby without any external influx. You'd better check with OB doctors about the conception by the surrogate mothers. Hosting the already existing embryo is Conception!

<<<<<
A surrogate mother conceives a baby through In Vitro Fertilization (IVF) or, less commonly, Intrauterine Insemination (IUI). The process involves creating an embryo in a laboratory using the egg and sperm from the intended parents or donors, which is then transferred to the surrogate’s uterus.

The method of conception determines the genetic relationship:

• Gestational Surrogacy: The surrogate carries an embryo created from the intended parents' or donors' egg and sperm. She has no genetic link to the baby. >>>>>

Conceive and Conception is different from Fertilization! Check with Internet!

When Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, II am," He was no more saying that He had a physical body before Abraham than when God the Father said to Moses://]

Apparently, Jesus remembers the event with Abraham which He personally, physically experienced. If the brain of Jesus was formed by the ovum of Mary, it should have been a new brain which had no memory of 2000 years earlier

NKJV Exo 3:14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' "//]

Yes, the deity of Jesus covers Omni-presence space-wise and time-wise as He could bring up Elias and Moses ( Mt 17:3). I AM is the translation of the Haya verb in Hebrew which formed Yehowah and that same person is most likely Jesus Christ as Hebrews 11:26 says Moses <<6 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.>>>> Moses lived for Christ! How many Christ exist? only one. Jesus Christ!

Why was a prototype body needed for creating Adam's body? You might just as well claim that a prototype sun was needed before God could create the actual sun, but such things are just limiting God.//]

Because Bible says Gen 1:27 <<< וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת־הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ בְּצֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים בָּרָא אֹתוֹ>>> God created the adam in His Likeness of Likeness. Do you see the double repetition of Tselem of Elohim? Strong Emphasis! Sun, moon, snake, elephants, rabbit, mouse are the creatures produced by the Prototokos, but we human beings are different from other creatures. James 3:9 mention this so as to respect other human beings<<< 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.>>>>
So, Bible itself says God used His own likeness to create a man. Whose likeness was used? Holy Spirit? God the Father? Bible has the answer here:
Col 1:15 <<< ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως>>>>
Neither Holy Spirit nor God the Father was the prototokos for the Creation.
Ephesians 3:9 confirms this <<<< And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:>>>>
All creation was done by Jesus and the human body was created in the likeness of Jesus Christ! Jesus had His own body!
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
I am not limiting God but want everyone know about the Creator Jesus better and more accurately.

Yes, there are certainly Theophanies or Christophanies (pre-incarnate appearances of Christ) in the Old Testament, just as we have instances of angels, which are spiritual beings, appearing in bodily form. A Christophany is not the same is incarnation. The New Testament makes clear that Christ did not come in a pre-existing body:
NKJV Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
That is not what the Bible tells us. Because Mary became pregnant by the operation of the Holy Spirit, Jesus was born without being what the Bible calls "in Adam."//]

Holy Spirit arranged the body of Jesus to be in the size and form of Embryo. You may know the human embryo is like New York or London, a huge city. At first Ovum may be like New York without electricity and water supply but the sperm like a size of San Francisco is added to New York, then it forms a perfect city structure, then when it is settled unto the uterus, it is connected with all the utilities like water supply, electricity, gas line, oxygen supply, energy and nutrition, waste water etc.
Jesus could see the future body He would enter in the future. That's what Jesus said in Hebrew 10:5. The arrangement was done by the Holy Spirit.
Word itself was God, the Almighty God in John 1:1-3. God the Word ( 1 John 5:7) could carry any form of flesh or body in any size and can transform it whatever in His manner.
Truth is that Mary belonged to First Adam, while Jesus didn't! Jesus Himself is another Adam or the Last Adam ( 1 Cor 15:45-47)
Jesus came down from Heaven ( John 6:38), but Mary didn't come down from Heaven. All the race of Adam was of the Earth but Jesus came from Heaven. Who else can say < I am from Heaven>?
Mary was of the earth. If the body of Jesus was formed by the ovum of Mary, Jesus couldn't say that He is from Heaven, because He is partly from the Earth and partly from Heaven. Nephilim was like that ( Gen 6:4)
Romans 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Death passed upon all men, which means Death passed upon Mary too. Body of Mary has got the death factors and her ovum was also contaminated with the sin and the death, because it is the organ thru which the death passed to the next generations.
Jesus didn't inherit any death factors from Mary.
Jesus was another Adam or the Last Adam and had the same body as the body of the first Adam before the FALL.
First Adam got the perfect body before the Fall, and by the sin, the death factors entered Adam and they passed upon all generations.
Jesus didn't fail even though He had the same body as the Adam's before the Fall.
Jesus didn't belong to Adam's race as Mary did. If the body of Jesus was formed by the ovum of Mary, the sinner, then the death factors would have been inherited by Jesus. It didn't happen to Jesus who is sinless, without blemish, without any factor of diabetes or MS or leukemia, High blood pressure, Blood clotting, or any syndrome etc.
Adam's race and Second Adam's race are totally different!
Jehovah ate the meal, bread, cake, veal meat, butter, milk, got His feet washed, spoke with Abraham and Sarah.
Moses spoke with Jehovah face to face. Jehovah had a body.
J.N. Darby said < To me, it is as clear as the Sun at noon time that Jesus is Jehovah of the OT>
It is the same to me as well.

Eliyahu

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

She is conceived!

No, conception happens at fertilization, not implantation. Basic human biology. When someone mocks “real science” while misunderstanding basic embryology, it’s not just ignorance, it’s a refusal to learn.

 

[John of Japan]

You can be quiet. I won't wake you up! Matthew chapter 1 has 40 times of gennao. I hope you can count more than 16. Count it again!
All begat is translated from gennao verb. Begat means gave birth to.
Eliyahu

Count again. I did. Still 16.

 

[Eliyahu]

Count again. I did. Still 16.

I didn't know you failed in arithmetic.
Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

Count again. I did. Still 16.

verse 2 : 3 verse 3: 3 verse 4: 3 verse 5: 3, verse 6: 2, v 7: 3, v 8: 3 v 9: 3 = 23
v 10: 3, v 11: 1, v 12: 2 v 13: 3, v 14: 3, v15: 3, v16:1, v 20:1 = 17
Total 40 in chapter 1 of Matthew

I didn't count gennesis Noun form of gennao, which is Birth
nor geneai which is generation.
So, gennao is normally translated as begat or born instead of conceive
In case of γεννηθὲν, Aorist Passive Participle, so it means BORN but
none of the translations translated it to BORN as far as I know.

Eliyahu

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

Apparently, Jesus remembers the event with Abraham which He personally, physically experienced. If the brain of Jesus was formed by the ovum of Mary, it should have been a new brain which had no memory of 2000 years earlier

You are confusing the human nature with the divine nature. Christ’s divine knowledge does not depend on a human brain, and His pre‑incarnate existence did not include a human body or human organ. Your argument assumes comic‑book biology and a pre‑existent human body, neither of which Scripture teaches. Christ remembered Abraham because He is God, not because He carried a 2,000‑year‑old human brain into the incarnation.

This would be laughable if it were not so utterly sad.

 

[David Lamb]

When a surrogate mother got pregnant with a human embryo provided by another couple, by IVF, what do you call her pregnancy? She is conceived! So, Conceived doesn't distinguish between Biological mother and the surrogate mother!

Conception, as I understand it, happens at fertilisation. No fertilisation occurs in the womb of a surrogate mother; that which is implanted into her womb is the result of fertilisation.

So, you are claiming the body and the brain of Jesus was newly created in the womb of Mary?
What you are saying is that the brain of Jesus started to exist only after He was born out of Mary but still remember the actual experience with Abraham 2000 years earlier and eternity before.

Yes, His physical brain, like the rest of His physical being, was newly created in Mary's womb. But that doesn't mean that He only started to exist when Mary gave birth to Him. He is both fully God and fully Man. As God, He has existed from eternity past. It was through Him that everything was created:

NKJV.Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Verse 14 makes clear that "the Word" is Jesus Christ, and that He "became flesh", not that He had flesh before:

Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Surrogate mother Conceive! when the embryo settles on the uterus! You misunderstand my points as if I deny the Virgin conceived a child. You may be claiming the Virgin create a baby without any external influx. You'd better check with OB doctors about the conception by the surrogate mothers. Hosting the already existing embryo is Conception!

That is not conception.

<<<<<
A surrogate mother conceives a baby through In Vitro Fertilization (IVF) or, less commonly, Intrauterine Insemination (IUI). The process involves creating an embryo in a laboratory using the egg and sperm from the intended parents or donors, which is then transferred to the surrogate’s uterus.

The method of conception determines the genetic relationship:

• Gestational Surrogacy: The surrogate carries an embryo created from the intended parents' or donors' egg and sperm. She has no genetic link to the baby. >>>>>

Conceive and Conception is different from Fertilization! Check with Internet!

Apparently, Jesus remembers the event with Abraham which He personally, physically experienced. If the brain of Jesus was formed by the ovum of Mary, it should have been a new brain which had no memory of 2000 years earlier

Do you not believe that Jesus is fully God? Does God the Father have a brain? Of course not, He is a spiritual being, and the brain is physical. Yet we read in the Bible that God the Father remembers, Just a few examples:

NKJV 1Sa 1:19 Then they rose early in the morning and worshiped before the LORD, and returned and came to their house at Ramah. And Elkanah knew Hannah his wife, and the LORD remembered her.

Gen 8:1 Then God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the animals that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters subsided.

Gen 19:29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot had dwelt.

If God the Father can remember without a physical brain, why insist that God the Son could not remember existing before Abraham without a brain?

Yes, the deity of Jesus covers Omni-presence space-wise and time-wise as He could bring up Elias and Moses ( Mt 17:3). I AM is the translation of the Haya verb in Hebrew which formed Yehowah and that same person is most likely Jesus Christ as Hebrews 11:26 says Moses <<6 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.>>>> Moses lived for Christ! How many Christ exist? only one. Jesus Christ!

Only one. Where have I suggested that there is more than one Christ? There is not, and I have never said so.

Because Bible says Gen 1:27 <<< וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת־הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ בְּצֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים בָּרָא אֹתוֹ>>> God created the adam in His Likeness of Likeness.

Are you saying that the Hebrew in Genesis 1:27 actually means "His likeness of likeness?" I don't know Hebrew, but the verse says in English:

NKJV Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Looking in Strong's Concordance, I find no suggestion that the Hebrew actually means "likeness of likeness."

Do you see the double repetition of Tselem of Elohim? Strong Emphasis! Sun, moon, snake, elephants, rabbit, mouse are the creatures produced by the Prototokos, but we human beings are different from other creatures. James 3:9 mention this so as to respect other human beings<<< 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.>>>>
So, Bible itself says God used His own likeness to create a man. Whose likeness was used? Holy Spirit? God the Father? Bible has the answer here:
Col 1:15 <<< ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως>>>>
Neither Holy Spirit nor God the Father was the prototokos for the Creation.
Ephesians 3:9 confirms this <<<< And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:>>>>
All creation was done by Jesus and the human body was created in the likeness of Jesus Christ! Jesus had His own body!
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
I am not limiting God but want everyone know about the Creator Jesus better and more accurately.

And in doing so, you seem content to throw out of the Bible all the reference to the Son becoming flesh, such as John 1:14 and Hebrews 10:5.

Holy Spirit arranged the body of Jesus to be in the size and form of Embryo. You may know the human embryo is like New York or London, a huge city. At first Ovum may be like New York without electricity and water supply but the sperm like a size of San Francisco is added to New York, then it forms a perfect city structure, then when it is settled unto the uterus, it is connected with all the utilities like water supply, electricity, gas line, oxygen supply, energy and nutrition, waste water etc.
Jesus could see the future body He would enter in the future. That's what Jesus said in Hebrew 10:5. The arrangement was done by the Holy Spirit.
Word itself was God, the Almighty God in John 1:1-3. God the Word ( 1 John 5:7) could carry any form of flesh or body in any size and can transform it whatever in His manner.
Truth is that Mary belonged to First Adam, while Jesus didn't! Jesus Himself is another Adam or the Last Adam ( 1 Cor 15:45-47)
Jesus came down from Heaven ( John 6:38), but Mary didn't come down from Heaven. All the race of Adam was of the Earth but Jesus came from Heaven. Who else can say < I am from Heaven>?
Mary was of the earth. If the body of Jesus was formed by the ovum of Mary, Jesus couldn't say that He is from Heaven, because He is partly from the Earth and partly from Heaven. Nephilim was like that ( Gen 6:4)
Romans 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Death passed upon all men, which means Death passed upon Mary too. Body of Mary has got the death factors and her ovum was also contaminated with the sin and the death, because it is the organ thru which the death passed to the next generations.
Jesus didn't inherit any death factors from Mary.
Jesus was another Adam or the Last Adam and had the same body as the body of the first Adam before the FALL.
First Adam got the perfect body before the Fall, and by the sin, the death factors entered Adam and they passed upon all generations.
Jesus didn't fail even though He had the same body as the Adam's before the Fall.
Jesus didn't belong to Adam's race as Mary did. If the body of Jesus was formed by the ovum of Mary, the sinner, then the death factors would have been inherited by Jesus. It didn't happen to Jesus who is sinless, without blemish, without any factor of diabetes or MS or leukemia, High blood pressure, Blood clotting, or any syndrome etc.
Adam's race and Second Adam's race are totally different!
Jehovah ate the meal, bread, cake, veal meat, butter, milk, got His feet washed, spoke with Abraham and Sarah.
Moses spoke with Jehovah face to face. Jehovah had a body.
J.N. Darby said < To me, it is as clear as the Sun at noon time that Jesus is Jehovah of the OT>
It is the same to me as well.

Eliyahu

I agree that Jesus is fully God. I agree too that in the Old Testament we read of Theophanies or Christophanies - preincarnate appearances of the Son of God. If He already had an actual body, why not just come to earth in that body? What was the need of a virgin conceiving and bearing a Son? Why would John write, "And the Word became flesh" if He has flesh already>