Why I'm thankful God convicted about Rock'nRoll

right about now would ba a good time to put in some Charley Daniels and play along with my fiddle
you guys have a great discussion

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Well, the jury is still out

 

This argument would apply to thrash metal and other hard forms like that (and that stuff will damage your hearing as well). Still; what I am concerned with is that people like to lump all "rock' together into that category, but not all rock is like that. A lot of music in the category of "rock" is musical (more musical actually, than the dry piano banging style old hymns are often played in in many conservative churches!

Precisely my point. You have to be careful with that stuff, because it is straight out of New Age! (I last winter refused an acupuncture session in some new-agey clinic my (non-Christian) family referred me to. The doctor also did some trick with bottles of herbal pills where I could not lift up my arm when I held the bottle in my hand while he put some pressure on it, claiming this was from "weak energy"! I got out of there quickly, hoping nothing followed me!) It would be the utmost irony for Christians to reject a beat because it was once used in voodoo; citing "touch not the unclean thing", "separate the holy from the profane", etc. but then buy into all this stuff in the very process of building arguments against those beats!

that's true; but the problem is; a lot of these people assume that dancing is always bad, and marching is always good. Thus, the music is given this almost magical power to make one sin.

With my argument, it is not a matter of "neutral". Other CCM fans/defenders use this argument, unfortunately; but I don't. I acknowledge a spirit behind the music (in which the sounds can be involved), and you can see this on the Beatles thread (in which one person usually on my side here disagrees greatly). Hendrix and those others did use the elements of music to sway people into sin. But the problem I am addressing once again, is that the BJU argument tries to generalize this to beat accents and syncopation, and that is just not where the problem lies (unless dancing is always bad, and marching is always good, once again). As I point out on my page "By trying to narrow it all down to such broad categories as beat accents, syncopation and repetition in general, etc. the critics are actually diverting us from the real issues of the spirit behind music, and are the ones truly 'aiding the devil' [as they accuse us] by bringing into the church more confusion (which he thrives off of), and leading to people readily dismissing any type of spiritual discernment in music when they find the critics' arguments to be inaccurate. Once again, they are blurring the true spiritual line just as much as the musical relativist!"

 

Western medicine does not stem from an atheistic worldview. The one exception could be your example of appendices and tonsils being removed because they no longer have any use. This could be based on evolutionism, which would assume that in our ancestors they did have use; but fell into disuse by natural selection, or mutation; or whatever, when we became "human". But otherwise; our medicine is not tied into atheism as far as I know. The West went into atheism long after it developed its medicine. It may have been heavily discovered by pagan Greeks; but it seems they kept their own religious beliefs more separate from their profession; though some philosophy may enter in passing.
But in the East; it is quite a different story. The religion is more intertwined into everything. (that is one of the religious concepts. Think pantheism). So I could not trust their practices. That doctor as well told me "this is just eastern medicine. You are just used to Western medicine". But after that "energy" trick with the bottles; I am just not convinced that this is not yet another spiritual deception from Satan. It doesn;t matter how old is is, or how much it may "work". This makes it all the more deceptive. (Also, "new age" is just a modern name for basically a rehash of the ancient concepts. People still believed way back then that man could become a god or whatever, and that is what New Age basically is about).

All of this I would agree with. I once again; do not deny any effects of music. What I was denying was the blaming of them for sin, based on an assumption of dancing always being bad, and marching always good. Sin is in the heart, and it is from there that wrong uses of music arise. But you have acknowledged that the backbeat is not always bad, and marches not always good. If this is what the BJU people are teaching you now; Praise God. The Christian music class I took 7 years ago; with material from the BJU/Majesty Music circle; was still drawing the line according to the backbeat always being bad, (because it "appeals to the heels instead of the head") and even all jazz was spoken negatively about; and marching (or contemplating) assumed to be good, and classical the only style praised/used as an example of the "good". I certainly hope they have changed that. That would leave mostly the KJVO movement as the advocates of the old teachings, and you could expect a loud reaction from them, who already disagree with BJU's more balanced treatment of the translation issue, and see them as soft and modernizing in other areas as well.

"Romantic music" can be a very blurry category; so I'm not sure what to say to that. If you mean what secular radio would call "slow jams"; I don;t think any youth groups would use that anyway. They use lively happy stuff.
Rap is poetry that is set to a beat. It is very message oriented, and thus good for teaching. (Call it "edutainment" if you will! I know some of it today is done in a fast way where the words may not be clear. But it is not necessarily that way). Ska; I am not very familiar with. The first thing that usually comes to mind is the old Cartoon Network promotional showing the Jabberjaw gang as a modern ska group ("Me and my friends get no respect; what does Scooby do that we neglect? We be puttin' all our foes in check; but me and my friends get no respect...") The rhythm does bear some resemblance to thrash; but the heavy metal guitars are more in the background, and the words are very much out in front. The gimmicks from what I see can be bad (basically, the punk style; and Jabberjaw himself has a nose ring!) But I wouldn't say the music was bad, at least from what I have heard. I find the example I gave as catchy and fun; but I guess it could be noisy, and perhaps too energetic to others.

 

lilrabbi, You and others already know I'm on opposite sides of the fence as you so to speak. But that was the funniest thing you've said yet. MxPx, everyone thinks there a Christian Rock band, but there not. But even funnier to me then that is you call O.C.Supertones, DC Talk, Audio A and the other bands you mentioned as Thrash Metal. I've gotta say thats rediculous. Those bands are light rock to just normal at the most. If you want to hear Christian Heavy Metal or close enough to it go listen to Disciple, Skillets newest album, Pillars newest album and some other bands such as Dead Poetic and Day of Fire.

Notice i didn't qualify them as thrash metal cause thrash doesn't have a real order, all of these bands do. Trash Metal doesn't have any real order. Only Christian Rock band that comes to mind fitting this genre is Demon Hunter. Despite what you may say after this all these bands are Christian Rock bands glorifying the name of Christ through music. But enough said about that.

I just want to say that those bands you named were not in any way thrash metal.

Your Brother in Christ
Guitar25

 

I remember that DC talk started out as a rap group ("Down with the DC tAlk..."). Then, sometimes in the 90's; they completely changed, and it did sound like hard rock to me. Perhaps that was just one album or something?

 

But as I said; that was just ONE POINT where it was influenced by evolution. The rest of it goes long before modern evolution and atheism.
I can better separate the true science from the ungodly philosophy/(religion) with the Western concept, because I am more familiar with it. The Eastern stuff I know little about; excep that the religion/philosophy is more ingrained in it. So wouldn't you say it was wise to be very cautious about it? (Should I have just trusted that clinc, and gone through with the acupuncture; especially after that "energy" trick?) I am not trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater; but rather practice discernment (like people are attempting to do with music). I would have to at least find out more about it, to be able to discern what is spiritually bad, and not.

You can not say that it is bad or violating scriptures like Eph.5:19 because it has "no melody"; since it is not being used to replace the singing of songs (at least not in any church or youth ministry I know of).

 

I've never gotten any sense that it was having any bad effect on me. There are just a lot of people in the secular industry using it wrong.

 

I think you're thinking of Guardian.

There's also a mainstream band called The Bottle Rockets.

By "acidic", do you mean acid rock?

You're probably a little young, but acid rock would be bands like Blue Cheer or Jefferson Airplane, not DC Talk.

And Audio Adreneline is not a thrash metal band.


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kind of raising the dead, aren't you Mike?

 

......bored

 

:laugh: Mike. If there's no controversy, let's pull up an old one! Love you man!

 

What controversy?

YOu mean there is a controversy about music?