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Can you explain how this reference does not apply to those looking to themselves to finish His works by the religious flesh like keeping a commitment or promises to do His work in us to do good?

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

 

You really think believers during the great tribulation will have temptations that we find in daily life now as a snare when they need the mark of the beast to buy and sell to survive?

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

So there is an escape and it is to stand before the Son of man in Heaven where Jesus is now. John 14:1-3

Jesus warned about how the snares of this life can make a believer excuse himself from attending the King's supper. Luke 14:15-24

Luke testified that Jesus expounded on that snare on what discipleship will cost a saved believer and that is to be prepared to leave this life down here by not loving anything nor any one more than Him in Luke 14:25-33.

There is more if the Lord is ministering for you to see.

 

Here are the works of Abraham which was believing God. Paul had understood this, and had written of this too.

Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

 

Not for salvation, but for being His disciple by abiding in Him to bear fruit.

That is why we go to others because people can get lost in the meaning of His words, thinking it is about how we save ourselves when it is about running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to finish by helping us to live as His disciple.

Jesus said many times how we are saved which is by simply believing in Him; and He told us how we are not saved which is by NOT believing in Him.

Therefore without being contrary to the Good News to man, you have to discern that all His teachings on how to live as His is for being His disciple... not for earning salvation or keeping it. If one works for salvation or runs to keep their salvation, then they are denying Him as their Saviour when they are saved simply for believing in Him.

 

Do note one of the requirements in your quote above was not to be greedy of filthy lucre.

John 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

Therefore Judas falls under as a false apostle.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

You did not read verse 4 all the way.

Mathew 10:4Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Pay attention to verse 28.

Matthew 19:28And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Judas in his heart was not following Jesus. He was just there for the money, because he was a thief.

Did not Jesus testify that one of them believed not and would betray Him? That was before Judas had done it. Jesus knew Judas was a traitor before he did it.

John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. 70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Yes... Judas was one of the twelve disciples and one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus but still Jesus knew Judas did not believe in Him, nor did he cared about the poor because he was a thief holding the bag for the collection of the poor, and was of the devil as Jesus said.

Do note that the remaining disciples were not saved until Pentecost, therefore what they and Judas had received was a temporary indwelling Holy Ghost. The promise of the permanent indwelling Holy Ghost was not given until Jesus was glorified when He had ascended above.

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

 

The warnings from Jesus is about the cost of discipleship. It cannot be about salvation.

If you are not saved yet or that you might lose your salvation, then Jesus Christ cannot be the Good News to man nor can any one claim Him as their Saviour yet if it is only a possibility.

Can you hear the preaching now?

"Hey? Have you heard the Good News? Well, it might be a good news. Then again, you will not know until you are in Heaven. You know what? Never mind."

I doubt the church would have gotten far preaching the gospel like that.

 

I think it is important to note when the remaining disciples were saved, and that was at Pentecost when Jesus was no longer among them in sending the promise of the Father from above.

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Judas never had that promise of the permanent indwelling Holy Ghost prophesied about in John 14th chapter because Jesus was present when they had received this temporary dwelling of the Holy Ghost in Matthew 10 and more importantly, Judas Iscariot was never a believer.

 

Just pointing out why it is hidden as you say there is nothing hidden, and why we need His help to see it. Feel free to explain Matthew 13:33 then.

Revelation 14 testify to a special choir that was a part of the pre trib rapture where 144,000 virgin men that were redeemed from the earth shall perform in as they will follow Jesus everywhere. There are others, of course, but this reference is significant.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

What follows is the 3 angels setting up the hour of trial that shall try all remaining on the earth.

To confirm the firstfruits as the pre trib saints; again I reference;

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

So saints will be made alive every one in his own order; Christ the firstfruits and THEN the next order... they that be Christ's at His coming.

That is what the Book of Revelation is about, calling the bride by addressing each of the seven churches to get ready to go because the Bridegroom is coming.

 

Any saved believer in iniquity, can be left behind unless they repent.

If you please... please take note of how one becomes a vessel unto honor in His House by purging himself of iniquity, then it stands to reasons that the vessel unto dishonor are the ones that did not depart from iniquity even though they are saved as they are still in His House to be received later on after the great tribulation.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Explain these passages if you believe I am applying this wrong.

 

Bob Hope.. you might want to redo post #74 because I think your reply got hidden in your quote of mine and I can't read it in there.

Hit on the Edit button on the far left and see if you did your quote enclosure correctly.

and then your reply outside of that .

 

I hope the truth in this song will be clearer to you. This is to His glory.