Speaking in Tongues Volume 3...

I experienced the interpretation of tongues once in a fellowship years ago where I was to speak. A visiting missionary from Portugal was also at that fellowship that morning and was asked to speak prior to me.

As he spoke in his native tongue (Portugese), before the interpreter could speak into the microphone what the man was saying, I was speaking the same words in English! The interpreter looked toward me but began interpreting. The very same words I was uttering were the interpretation! Yet, I know not a word of the Portugal tongue. I was actually hearing the words in English and audibly speaking them. People in the congregation did not hear me, but the interpreter did and the pastor of that congregation did.

They asked me when I learned Portugese later. I affirmed that I never studied it, nor had heard it before in my life.

 

Where does it say anything in those chapters about preaching elders speaking in tongues? Can you demonstrate such through Scripture? I never said suggested any such thing, so I don't know what you are talking about.

As far as an individual having the gift of languages we see that the Apostle Paul, who said "I speak in 'languages' more than you all, visited many foreign nations, and thus had the need of speaking in foreign languages. Thus the Lord would have given him the gift of tongues for that purpose. But remember also, that even as he traveled the known world at that time, so were the Jews scattered over the world at that time. So, yes the Lord gave Paul the miraculous gift of speaking many languages that he did not have to learn It was a gift--given of God--a gift of the Holy Spirit. It was miraculous--to be used when needed--not selfishly as in a private prayer language.

You ought to. You will find an account in Acts chapter two where thousands upon thousands of traveling Jews gathered at the Temple on the Day of Pentecost to worship. Many of them got saved that day. Many of them heard 120 disciples of Christ speak in other languages. In fact they heard them speak in their own native language, the wonderful works of God. Let me assure you it wasn't modern day gibberish.
DHK

 

I don't consider what happened n Acts to be the same as the subject matter in 1 Cor. 14.

 

interesting. the tongues are still in effect today, yes. But, they are not the babbling and gibberish that is spoken in many pentecostal and charismatic churches today. I firmly believe that.

 

Mike,

People may scoff, but it actually did happen. I have two wittnesses.

 

DHK,

You said, '. . . miraculous gift of speaking many languages that he did not have to learn . . .'

 

First let me correct a statement I made earlier about Ray's post. I had him mixed up with Bob Ryan. I knew something was wrong when I said Ray's post showed me a well studied person in the Bible and then looked at the nonsense he is thowing out here. Wanted to clear that up.
I have heard the story of persons actually haveing the biblical tongues. But I will challenge anyone to go with me to any ...ANY charasmatic church in the Detroit area and find one where they practice biblecal toungues. Yes God still does miraculus things. He is still working.
YOur post above RAy is nothing but nonesense. You say glossia means a heaven language yet if you look through the bible what modifies it says you are dead wrong. It will not work in the context.
Where are the other signs from Acts, the wind and tongues of fire? Shoot you can't even take the simple context of acts 2 and accept that they heard in THEIR OWN LANGAUGE! THEIR OWN LANGAUGE...not a heavenly langauge or some hebbie jibbie nonsense IN THIER OWN LANGAUGE. Now you poor attempt at twisting is not even cloce it is an insult to anyone's intelligence. Unless you are willing to the bible and context then youj will continue to sound like person with, to say the least, poor comprehension skills.
Again, there is nothing in speaking in tongues denied me because I don't. I have all available to me that God has to offer. I do not need to waste people's time or act like a mad man to be filled by the HS.
And lastly d28 and the rest of you sign followers need to come up with proof that it was a heavenly language. I do know that Paul addresses the issue of worshipping idols. Check how they did in the OT. Now that reminds me of the charasmatic churches!

 

Are there still unbelieving Jews?

Mike </font>[/QUOTE]Again context is everything. It was a fulfillment of prophecy speaking of that generation of Jews specifically. Peter addressed the very ones that had crucified our Lord. It was that generation of unbelieving Jews (the first generation) that this was a sign to.

Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

We don't have first generation unbelieving Jews today. The sign has been removed. The kingdom was offered to them, and they rejected it. They further rejected the message of the gospel through the apostles. It was then that God rejected or set aside for a period of time the nation of Israel.
DHK

 

Would you not consider a language not spoken on earth, but rather in heaven, to be a foreign language???

And that it would only be by the gifting of the Holy Spirit that someone could miraculously speak it?

Mike </font>[/QUOTE]This is nothing but paganism, mysticism and gnosticism mixed.
1. You don't know what the language of heaven is, so you are claiming to be a gnostic having secret knowledge that no one else knows.
2. It is mysticism, something that the pagans practice when the speek in their ecstatic utterances, going into trances and trying to commune with their gods. It is also common with the occult.
3. As above, it is a pagan practice that Paul warned the Corinthians about in 1Cor.12:1-3.
4. Language means human language. Don't presume that you know things that are not. God is omniscient; you are not. To presume that you know the language of heaven is arrogant. Furthermore, when John was taken to heaven, the only language recorded in the Book of Revelation are human languages. Those were the languages that he heard--ones which he was able to understand. We have no reason to believe anything differently.
DHK

 

But the spiritual gifts in 1Cor 12 are real.

On this subject I am somewhere between DHK and DB28Guy.

I agree that the jibberish seen today is a counterfeit of the actual gift mentioned in the NT.

But I also agree that the Gifts given to the Church in 1Cor 12 and in Eph 4 apply "until we all reach to the maturity and unity that is Christs... the full measure of the stature" of Christ. (That is to say - at the resurrecion and rapture of the church at "His coming again")

In Christ,

Bob

 

Anyone who is wanting to argue the 'tongues of angels' as being the heavenly language, did you ever stop to think that whenever angels appeared and spoke to people on earth, they spoke in that person's native tongue? Not gibberish?

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Seems to me angels can be anywhere in the world according to the above scripture, and I am sure they speak a known tongue or language.

 

You don't even listen to your own commentary, who agrees that tongues are other languages--languages other than Aramaic. He admits it. That is what he is saying Ray. Believe him. It didn't change between Pentecost and the time of the writing of the epistle to Corinth.
A language is a language. Why not try speaking gibberish to your neighbors Ray? See how far you get in communication. Ask one neighbor to translate your gibberish for you? Ought to be fun, eh? Gibberish is untranslatable. Not even God knows what it is. It is untranslatable because it is all nonsense. A string of syllables put together and repeated over and over again is nonsense to both God and man. It has no meaning whatsoever. It is uncommunicable.

Every time glossa is used it is used in relation to an actual foreign language in the Bible, except in places like James 3 where it occasionally refers to the organ of the tongue. It does not refer to ecstatic speech. Pagans speech in ecstatic speech.

Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
That today's speaking in tongues is a sign from heaven, is the way of the heathen.
DHK

 

Gibberish is untranslatable. Not even God knows what it is.

Sorry, DHK, I have to disagree with ya there. Since God is all knowing, He would have to know what gibberish is. But I believe He thinks it is foolishness, as we do as well. :smiles:

You did bring up a good point in saying Ray should try speaking this gibberish to neighbors. I would even go as far as saying to an unbelieving neighbor. For tongues were given for a sign, not to the believing, but to the unbelieving.

 

1 Corinthians was written before 59 AD. It was written in 57 AD. This was before the offer of the Kingdom was withdrawn from Israel as a nation.

BTW, standing, I don't think that what you experienced would be classified as "tongues", as the guy was speaking in his native tongue, and you were hearing in yours. That would, in my opinion, classify as a miracle from God and not as a sign-gift. The Bible doesn't say that miracles will cease, just the sign-gifts performed through men.