Originally posted by Gold Dragon:
DHK, There are plenty of things the RCC is wrong about that you could have chosen. The fact that you chose things that they don't believe is an indication of the lengths you will go to defame Catholics.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DHK:
The Cathoics do not believe in justification by faith. This is a cardinal doctrine of our faith.
It would have been correct to say that Catholics do not believe in justification by faith alone because of James 2.</font>[/QUOTE]My assessment and accusation is not wrong.Catechism of the Catholic Church : Justification
1987 The grace of the Holy Spirit has the power to justify us, that is, to cleanse us from our sins and to communicate to us "the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ" and through Baptism:
Your understanding of James 2 is wrong. The Scripture does not contradict itself:
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
--We are justified by faith alone, not by faith plus baptism. That is a heresy of the Catholic Church. I maintain my position.
Originally posted by DHK:
They don't believe that Christ paid for our sins, or that his death was insufficient for our sins, else why would they have to pay in part for them by spending time in purgatory?
Catechism of the Catholic Church : Jesus Died Crucified
613 Christ's death is both the Paschal sacrifice that accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through "the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world", and the sacrifice of the New Covenant, which restores man to communion with God by reconciling him to God through the "blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins".
614 This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and surpasses all other sacrifices. First, it is a gift from God the Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in reparation for our disobedience.
And the "elect" must get there through works--the work of baptism, and then they must continue to pay for their sins which Jesus could not fully atone for himself. They continue to be "purged" from their sins. Purgatory comes from the root word of "purge."Note that Catholic doctrine says that purgatory is for the elect or those already saved.
And there is scripture to say the elect will be "tested by fire".</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Catechism of the Catholic Church : The Final Purification, or Purgatory
1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
</font>[/QUOTE]The Scripture used is taken entirely out of context and refers to the Judgement Seat of Christ. Purgatory is a man-made doctrine. There is no justification for it. There is no purging from sin in 1Cor.3:11-13. It is a judgement of works. Either your works will be burned, and you will suffer loss, or your works will be refined and you will be rewarded accordingly. The believer passes through no fire at all. Show me through Scripture where a believer passes through any fire of purgatory. This is a man-made heretical doctrine, that destroys the sufficiency of the blood of Christ.1 Cor 3:15
If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
1 Pet 1:7
so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
DHK