A Complaint About A Lack of Logic

Well, I must apologize for my lack of understanding your post. I thought the implication of your comments was that Adam was in the image of God despite the fall and all his offspring are in the image of God by virtue of their physical births. If that is not what you meant then I am sorry. I do not mean to falsely accuse anyone.

 

Before I take back my apology, will you explain how Gen 9:6 makes your case in the face of all the things I quoted and say how that one verse settles it once and for all?

 

You have based your whole argument on a verse of scripture that neither affirms nor denies the present image of God in Noah and his family who got off the ark and those born later. Neither did you present a reason for God to be concerned that men in the NT be conformed to the image of his son by the Spirit of God if the image of God and the image of Christ are different, which must be the case if what you are saying is true. Thank God it is not, otherwise we would just have a conglomeration of silliness that don’t make any sense at all.

Are the relevant passages of scripture that addresses the issue of the image of God in the NT not even worthy of an honorable mention much less a consideration that they just might shed light on the subject and offer instruction in what we should believe about it? You have just settled down on Gen 9:6 and all the doctrine is contain in it as far as you are concerned, context be damned?

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt when I apologized for accusing you of misrepresenting the nature of Adam after the fall and all his offspring as well as contradicting the great apostle Paul. I take it back now because you are guilty of both.

 

That is not my invitation, it is his. I just quoted him saying it. He is alive and listening, ask him.

 

The infatuation with the “drawing” of God by men who think they have been drawn by God without a scintilla of evidence except your own personal declaration that you are a member of the prechosen elect is problematic to me. You cannot prove that from the Bible or from anything that has to do with yourself. To the credit of Calvinists none ever try. Your salvation is dependent entirely on subjective opinions about yourself. Prove me wrong. Give me a testimony of God making your election sure. Until then I am going to believe you are just plain ole deceived.

 

Who would not come? Adam? Noah? Malachi?

Who would not come?

Could it have anything to do with these?

John 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

That is a historical statement. It is written in the past tense. It is written 60 years after it happened and it is written by an eye witness about someone else. The reader can either believe it or not.

Now if a man can read the 4 gospel accounts of Jesus Christ and not understand that his ministry was to his own exclusively then there is no help for that man and probably no salvation. My bible says a man must believe God’s word to be saved.

Another man testified later, chronologically, 28 years after Jesus Christ had been slain by his own people and had risen from the dead and ascended to heaven, and said this;

Romans 10:1
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Paul wrote this from Corinth in Acts 18 and after he had suffered much abuse from the people he was praying for.

How did he say they could be saved?

Romans 10:8-11
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

The next quote I am posting comes straight out of the heart of God;

Romans 10:18-21
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Israel was not ignorant of these things
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.


One would think by reading this that it was something that had happened at the writing of this letter in AD 58, or was happening. God did send special chosen preachers out if one can believe the record of Acts. They went to no one else for the first 7 years explaining the desire of God to save them and how his arms were stretched out to them.

The point is, there is context and structure to my Bible and the verse you quoted to me is not written to me. It is profitable me for understanding God but it is not written to me or about me or you. There are 13 bible books that are written to me and you but the gospel of John is not addressing us. It helps make my 13 books understandable but I honor the context.

All of the Christian faith must be understood in the context of the first 4000 years of human history. God has not revealed anything since he closed his Book. He has not spoken another word. He has prophesied about the future but it was from way back then.

You could not be a Calvinist if you would honor context.