Featured The Particular Mercy of God

Thomas..
Some are moving toward it, some are moving away from it.
God is the judge.
When people deny the trinity do they go to heaven?
Does a moralist go to heaven?
Does a person who says they believe in Jesus, but has a works gospel go?
Does a person deny the doctrines of grace 24/7 make it?
God is the judge, but I will not encourage any such person that they are in a good place.

 

Not sure what you mean, but when I read things that are solid in my own reading and study I share them for whoever can profit from the same teaching.
I never learned to type correctly so I look to copy and paste often as it saves me much time.
I can say or teach the same things on my own, but I find those who have much greater gifts than I possess.
I think it is more edifying to offer the more gifted spokesmen.
At the end of post 20..I offered the source...
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Work through what he offers.
List the verses it is a solid study.
If you find fault show it...I will look.
Most on here will not read anything more than 3 sentences.
I read through that three times already...
I say that to say this...We are to search out truth and not be slack.

 

I could quote the whole book, however he speaks of "the church"...the brethren. Those who are sanctified,many sons.the children the Father gave Him...you can see it right in the whole passage.it leads to the seed of Abraham...do not run out of the chapter stay there and read it.

 

Austin I have seen you use Rom 3 a number of times so I thought I would just deal with that.

One of God’s purposes in revealing Himself in Creation and history is that people would seek Him. Rom_1:18-20 While we know that man will try to avoid the truth it is out there and thus we really have no excuse. Denial does not make it go away.

So the question is does God intend for man to seek Him? Well the answer is yes, we see this in scripture.
Act 17:24-28 the relevant verse is 27
Act 17:27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;

And again through the prophet Isaiah we find God is reaching out to us.
Isa 55:6 Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.

What is the condition we are told is required, faith
Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

Christ Jesus even tells us to come to Him so we know that it is possible for us to do so.
Joh 7:37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.

 

Did download the posts. Say they are be John Brown. I am not inclined to read through material like this as I just see a lack of argument and hoping that the number of verses will just overwhelm you. I have found that many times when I have slogged through the verses listed they did not really make a strong case.
I will try to work my way through but it will take a while.

I can agree with the not typing part. I type with two fingers & thumb. Not fast but better than nothing.

 

Dave you can keep repeating that line all you want but it does not help you. God has given us the ability to seek Him and the bible shows this. You just have to be willing to look past your Calvinism. Remember the bible was here before Calvinism and it will be here long after Calvinism is gone.
Your foundation must be scripture but not scripture read through the filter of Calvinism.

 

Austin I am really surprised that you have so little regard for the word of God. You must think that God is just being disingenuous when He speaks about anything that does not fit your Calvinist view.

I note you say the verses refer to covenant people of God. So from that are we to take it that all those people are saved because they are in a covenant with God or that none of them can be saved? Your choice.
Do you really think that God does not reward those that seek Him? Or do you think that only those pre-selected can seek Him?

>>Note that Paul never mentions that anyone found God. In all their blind groping, they never found God.<<

Austin you seem so lost in your Calvinism that you find it impossible to accept what scripture says if it does not fit within your Calvinist view.

You quote Rom 3:10-18 all the time and are indignant when anyone questions your view of said text. It has been pointed out to you more than once that your understanding of said text is in error but to no avail. All this shows is that you have a very selective approach to your understanding of scripture.

When God says He wants people to seek Him then I believe He wants people to seek Him. If it were not possible for people to seek and find Him then why the gospel, not much point to then right.

Where I see the real difference between us is that God has given me a free will that allowed me to evaluate the gospel message and the other evidence that we have as to the truth of scripture and based on that to accept or reject faith in Christ Jesus. For you on the other hand no such ability is provided for. You were determined to trust that you were saved based on nothing. By your theology you were regenerated/saved before you even heard the gospel and your faith had to be given to you so you could believe.

Austin you do seem to be sincere but I really do believe that you are wrong in your understanding of salvation.

 

The passage contradicts this. It helps if you read the rest of the chapter. These heathen asked Paul about God. That's called "seeking". When people are seeking God, He will send them a messenger with the good news. And behold, some of those who sought God and listened to His messenger, believed.

Acts 17:34

But some men joined him and believed, among whom also were Dionysius the Areopagite and a woman named Damaris and others with them.
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Let's move on......

 

Just about every Calvinist I've met here was freewill to begin with. Something always happens and in my opinion what that is they have been turned by Calvinist seeking to destroy what they have already learned. Because these peoples faith isn't very strong they change there minds and become Calvinist. They change there minds because they waver in there own faith. Paul talks about them. Someone twisted the scriptures for you at first and now you know how and do it for your self. You need to get back to your first love.
MB

 

A quick review of this thread will reveal that you Sir are one such Calvinist that informs those who disagree with you and your doctrine that we lack understanding. Those are your exact words.

Is it safe to say that since you are fully capable of informing others of lacking understanding that may we conclude that you personally do not lack such understanding?

Using this understanding that you have and by your own words you have determined that I don't have, answer this. Having confessed my need for a Savior, having place my faith and trust in Christ Crucified but denying some or all of TULIP, including but not limited to a limited atonement, am I based on your understanding condemned to everlasting hell? Simple question I think.

 

I've never claimed that my ransom depended on me. I didn't even exist When Christ paid it. Neither did you. I just accept that it is true you have to, to be saved. God is not a dictator of our trust or faith He just convinces us we need Him to live. Salvation is all of God all we can do is reject it or accept it.
MB